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At 10:09 AM 3/9/2004 +0000, you wrote:
I regret that the resurgence of
this forum has not only turned political, but certain members seem intent
on bashing members of the opposite party.
Currently I am voting Democratic, and I resent people who insist on
criticizing me because of my voting preference.
"democrats want it all"? What does that mean? I
don't "want it all."
What I meant was, (and in context with my post), was that the most
wealthy Americans pay most of the income taxes but liberals seem to want
them to pay all of the tax burden.
"Bush should win by a wide
margin"? Really? Then why is he behind in the
polls?
He was behind in the polls due to a constant barrage of news on the
democratic primary and attacks on the republican party which went
unanswered. The president's campaign has now begun and already, the
polls are evened out. The democratic challenger is probably the
most liberal member of congress and in my opinion, will lose by a wide
margin to Bush.
Why is there no mention of the rich
Republicans and Corporations who make millions but pay not a cent in
taxes?
I know of no individual who makes a lot of money and does not pay a lot
of taxes. As to businesses, I have never felt they should pay *any*
taxes whatever. After all, the shareholders pay taxes on all gains
and dividends while profits create jobs. In my small company, (37
employees), my firm paid taxes on what it made, I got what was left and
then I paid taxes on that same money again. I was lucky to end up
with 40 cents on the dollar. While this was going on, my democratic
friends were telling me I didn't pay my fair share.
Bob, I have always respected your
posts on trading, probably because they were more fact-based and less
emotional. I hope you can return to that excellent form.
As a moderator you should resist turning this forum into your own
personal soapbox.
Regardless of any responses to this post, I will not post to the list on
any further topics outside of trading or the management of the
list. I do apologize for doing this in the past although politics
most certainly play a large role in market direction.
Good trading to you Neal and to all our list members,
Bob
Neal
>Great story. Heard it before but had forgotten about it.
Bottom line is that the >top few percent of tax payers pay most of the
income taxes but democrats want it >all. Bush should win
this upcoming election by a wide margin . . .
Thanks,
Bob
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Great story. Heard it before but had forgotten about it.
Bottom line is that the top few percent of tax payers pay most of the
income taxes but democrats want it all. Bush should win this
upcoming election by a wide margin but in four years, God help us all
because I don't see much of anything stopping Hillary considering the
huge percentage of women who claim they will vote for her and it's my
opinion she pushed for Kerry so Bush would win and she can run against a
non-sitting republican in 2008. The Clintons still maintain a death
grip on the D.N.C.
Thanks,
Bob
At 08:16 AM 3/6/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Speaking of low taxes, I don't
believe that the author noted at the bottom wrote this, but it is an
interesting analogy.
Sometimes Politicians can exclaim; "It's just a tax cut for the
rich!", and it is just accepted to be fact. But what does that
really mean? Just
in case you are not completely clear on this issue, we hope the following
will help.
Tax Cuts - A Simple Lesson In Economics
This is how the cookie crumbles. Please read it carefully.
Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every
day, ten men go out for dinner.
The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we
pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh $7.
The eighth $12.
The ninth $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy
with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a
curve.
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm
going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20."
So, now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay
their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So, the first four men were unaffected.
They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the
paying customers?
How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his
'fair share'?
The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.
But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man
and the sixth man would each end up being 'PAID' to eat their
meal.
So, the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each
man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the
amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing
(100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to eat for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their
savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth
man.
He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only
saved a dollar, too.
It's unfair that he got ten times more than me!"
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man.
"Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all
the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison.
"We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the
poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat
down and ate without him.
But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something
important.
They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the
bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our
tax system works.
The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax
reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not
show up at the table anymore.
There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Distinguished Professor of Economics
536 Brooks Hall
University of Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: delta88343@xxxxxxx
To:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] sp500/nasdaq top
In a message dated 3/5/04 12:08:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mr.ira@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
The government still claims that there is
no inflation. Gas prices are $2.50 per Gal. here. Almost
everything that is purchased is transported by truck. That cost
will also be on the rise.
Housing costs continue to rise. Just down
the road in Palo Alto the average home cost is $985,000. Health
care costs and other insurance costs are skyrocketing as is the commodity
index. How much longer can the government ignore what is
happening?
Low interest rates have not created new
jobs here, but India and other foreign countries are having a boon.
We are shipping our jobs overseas where the service and manufacturing
costs are far less. I have to admit, so is the quality of service
provided by the overseas support.
Just some thoughts.
Ira.\
This will continue to happen because it has little effect on the
"Haves." Their petrol bill going from $50 a tank to $70 a tank
on their SUV is barely worth discussing re: the household finances. They
work for companies that pay their health insurance, or at least the bulk
of it, and the large house they own has doubled in value the past 5
years. Life is good!
However, for the poor "have nots", they will continue to suffer
regarding the above. Their meager earnings continue to get eaten away by
the massive inflationary spiral going on. There is no one truly
representing them in the media because they are mostly affiliated with
one party. If rolls were reversed, and a democratic president was in
office with the same things going on, you know darn well the Republicans
would be holding congressional hearings, having investigations left and
right regarding everything that is going on in the energy markets, Bush
and Cheney's connections to Haliburton and the massive energy
manipulation play that is going on etc.
I'm not trying to be political here, but thats the reality. There is
absolutely no direction, no vision, no goal, no leadership within the
democratic party. No one is raising any stink about what is going on, you
hear nothing about it in the media and it literally borders on the
criminal.
I am not politically affiliated one way or the other and I love low
taxes. The above is simply my perceptions.
----- Original Message -----
From: EarlA
To:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] sp500/nasdaq top
Fascinating market action ... SPX has rallied to 1162.99 (within my
target range) while the price of the June 1150 puts I hold (and had
orders for more) has also rallied. This suggests that the market is
putting in a blow-off. Had to short emini since it looks like they won't
fill my put order.
I assume that this rally is all about the
perceived notion that the Fed won't raise rates so the market can party
longer. Not a thought to the fact that continued employment problems will
lead to reduced consumption and other (economic and political) fall-out
from reduced consumer confidence. Foreign currencies are rallying hard
which means even higher energy prices are in the cards.
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: EarlA
To:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] sp500/nasdaq top
SPX is very close to long standing target range of 1060-1073 which
includes: 50% retracement to ATH, 200% expansion of Oct02-Mar03 swing,
and Dec01-Mar02 triple top.
I closed out long emini position just ahead of
Thursday's close leaving in place a SPX put established on Wednesday. I
also have orders working to add to put position on any rally from monthly
Employment Lie. During the past couple of weeks I've closed out all
trading positions in stocks and now hold significant cash position. I
still like energy stocks and hold core positions to which I will add
during any correction in equities.
There should be good support in the 1015+- area
which includes the 38% retracement to the Mar03 low and the Jun-Jul03
highs. If this area holds, then another run to higher highs (1250+-)
could be in the cards. On a fundamental basis, the market is richly
priced and risks are strongly to the downside should the public lose its
taste for speculation.
Earl
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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: [RT] sp500/nasdaq top
Most likely 3/5/04 should be a
top for a while
get out of longs and if you have long
term gains consider writing calls
most likely next is 1050 on
sp
if I am wrong, the max upside is only 10-15
sp points
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