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Aside from the factually challenged nature of 
Ira's post which you pointed out, I thought there was a ban on posting that kind 
of political drivel.
 
 
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  >From: 
  Norman 
  Winski 
  To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [RT] GEN: VON MISES & 
  THE ECONOMY
  
    Funny, I thought it was pathetic 
  propaganda and many of the supposed facts are false. For example, Sammy Sosa 
  is on the Chicago Cubs. Given Andrew Jackson's very checkered life, if he 
  didn't have a criminal record, he should have, and I don't think James Baker 
  is Goerge Bush's Uncle as it would have to be on his mother's side for 
  the name to be different and Mama B's maiden name was Pierce, and 
  the final count in Florida showed Bush won Florida by about 500 votes.  
  By the way, I think he is doing a good job and 
  I didn't vote for him. (I voted Libertarian.) 
   
   As for Bush's lack of success until 
  entering public life, go read the life of US. Grant or Harry Truman.  It 
  could be that George Bush found his niche in govt. service.  To quote 
  Henry Kissinger, "when we consider the alternatives..." just think we could 
  have had anal retentive Al Gore still analyzing what to do about 9-11 and what 
  impact those options would have on the spotted owl. 
   
  Regards,
   
  Norman
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    <DIV 
    >From: 
    Ira 
    
    To: <A 
    title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    href="">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    
    Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:34 
    AM
    Subject: Re: [RT] GEN: VON MISES & 
    THE ECONOMY
    
    Funny, I just got this in the mail
     
    Subject: ResumeGeorge Walker Bush:Past work experience: I 
    ran for congress and lost. I produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.  I 
    bought an oil company, but couldn't find anyoil in Texas; company went 
    bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas 
    Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took landusing taxpayer 
    money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy  Sosa to the Chicago 
    WhiteSox.  With my father's help and nearly the same name, was 
    electedGovernor of  Texas.Accomplishments: I changed 
    pollution laws for oil and power companiesand made Texas the most  
    polluted state in the nation.  I replaced LosAngeles with Houston 
    as the most smog ridden city in America.  I cut taxesand bankrupted 
    the Texas government in billions in borrowed  money. I setrecord 
    for most executions by any governor in American history.  I 
    became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, 
    withthe help of Republican appointments to the Supreme 
    Court.Accomplishments as president: I attacked and took over two 
    countries.I spent the country's surplus and bankrupted the 
    treasury.  I shatteredthe record for biggest annual deficit in 
    history.  I set economic recordfor most private bankruptcies filed 
    in any 12 month  period. I setall-time record for biggest stock 
    market drop in its history.  I am thefirst president in decades to 
    execute a federal prisoner. I am the firstpresident in US history to 
    enter office with a criminal  record.  Inmy first year in 
    office set the all-time record for most vacation daystaken by any 
    president. After taking the entire month of August off forvacation, I 
    presided over the  worst security failure in US history.  I 
    setthe record for most campaign fund-raising trips of any other 
    president in US history.  In my first two years in office over 2 
    million Americans lost their jobs.  I cut unemployment benefits for 
    more out of work Americans than any president  in US history.  
    I set the all-time record for the most mortgage foreclosures in a 
    12-month  period. I appointed more convicted criminals to 
    administration positions than any  president in US history,  set 
    the record for the lowest number of press conferences thanany president 
    since the invention of television.  I signed more laws and executive 
    orders amending the Constitution than any  president in US 
    history.  I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and 
    refused to  intervene when corruption was revealed. I presided over the 
    highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use  the national 
    reserves as past presidents have.  I cut healthcare benefits for war 
    veterans.  I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to 
    simultaneously take to  the streets to protest me (15 million people), 
    shattering the record for  protest against any person in the history of 
    mankind.   (<A 
    href="">http://www.hyperreal..org/~dana/marches/)I 
    dissolved more international treaties than any president in US 
    history.  My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any 
    in US history. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration 
    in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a 
    Chevron oil tankernamed after her).  I am the first 
    president in US history to have all 50 states bankrupted at the same 
    time. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market 
    in any  country in the history of the world.  I am the first 
    president in US history to order a US attack and military  occupation 
    of a sovereign nation.  I created the largest government department 
    bureaucracy in the history of the  UnitedStates.  I set the 
    all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,more than 
    any president in US history, while at the same time proposingtax 
    cuts.  I am the first president in US history to have the 
    United Nations remove the  US from the human rights commission. I am 
    the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove 
    the  US from the elections monitoring board.  My administration 
    has the least amount of congressional oversight than any in  US 
    history.  I withdrew from the World Court of Law.  I refused to 
    allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war, as prescribed by  the 
    Geneva Convention. I hold the record for most corporate campaign 
    donations.  My biggest lifetime campaign contributor, who is also one 
    of my best friends,  presided over one of the largest corporate 
    bankruptcy frauds in world history  (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron 
    Corporation).  I spent more money on polls and focus groups than 
    anypresident in US  history.  I am the first president in US 
    history tounilaterally attack a sovereign  nation against the will 
    of the United Nations and the world community. I am the first US president 
    in history to have a majority of the people of  Europe (71%) view my 
    presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and  stability.  I 
    changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded 
    government  contracts.  I set all-time records for the 
    number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling 
    huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.  
    I failed to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. I failedto capture the 
    anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of ourcountry at the 
    United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have noleads  and 
    zero suspects.  I removed more freedoms and civil liberties 
    forAmericans than any other  president in US history. In a little 
    over two years I created the most divided country in decades,  
    possibly the mostdivided the US has ever been since the Civil War. I 
    entered office with thestrongest economy in US history and in less than 
    two years every economiccategory plunged.Records and References: 
    I have at least one conviction for drunkdriving in Maine (Texas 
    driving  record has been erased and is not available).I was 
    AWOL from National Guard.  Records from my tenure as governor 
    ofTexas are in my father's library,  unavailable for public 
    view.  All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or 
    bankrupt  companies are sealed and unavailable for public view.  
    All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board 
    are  sealed and unavailable for public view.  Any records or 
    minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public  energy 
    policy are sealed and unavailable for public review.  For 
    personal references please speak to my daddy or uncleJames Baker 
    (They  can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group 
    forwar-profiteering).
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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      <DIV 
      >From: 
      Mark 
      Simms 
      To: <A 
      title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      href="">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      
      Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:44 
      PM
      Subject: RE: [RT] GEN: VON MISES 
      & THE ECONOMY
      
      EXACTLY, 
      THE GOVERNMENT IS GETTING IN THE WAY. 
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      Look at 
      what Bush did for the steel industry. He's holding them "bums" up with the 
      import tariffs and restrictions.
      <FONT color=#0000ff 
      size=2>Interestingly, the OPPOSITE is true for the IT services industry 
      with the multitude of H-1B and the L-1 visa issuance of the past 2 
      years.
      That 
      industry in the US has declined to nothingness....never to 
      return.
      What gives 
      ? Why this UN-EVEN treatment ?
      Answer: 
      dumb, poorly thought-out legislation and more importantly, slow 
      reaction time to correct these "mistakes".
      <FONT color=#0000ff 
      size=2> 
      If everyone 
      in business for themselves took as long as the government to correct their 
      business "mistakes",
      there would 
      be no commerce, everyone would be out-of-business !
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        <FONT face=Tahoma 
        size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Charles Meyer 
        [mailto:chaze@xxxxxxxx]Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:55 
        AMTo: REAL TRADERSSubject: [RT] GEN: VON MISES 
        & THE ECONOMY
         
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        To: <A title=article@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        href="">Mises Daily Article 
        Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:12 AM
        Subject: Recovery or Boomlet?
        
        <A 
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        <FONT 
        color=#002864>Recovery or Boomlet? 
        
        by William L. Anderson
        [Posted July 8, 2003]
        <IMG src="" 
        align=right border=0 NOSEND="1">In recent weeks, the stock market has 
        staged a mild rally. Though the most recent unemployment numbers are 
        well over six percent, Republicans, as well as a few market analysts, 
        are claiming that the long overdue economic recovery has arrived. While 
        I wish that were the case, the facts demonstrate otherwise; this is not 
        a recovery, but simply an unsustainable mini-boom that makes the 
        long-term economic picture even worse.
        That is not how we hear things from the government, not 
        surprisingly. Administration officials, hopeful that a strong economy 
        next year will boost George W. Bush's election chances, have been 
        trumpeting the end to the longest economic downturn in this country 
        since the Great Depression of 70 years ago. His media supporters, such 
        as <A 
        href=""><FONT 
        size=2>Larry Kudlow, and <A 
        href=""><FONT 
        size=2>Neil Cavuto also agree and have 
        called for the Federal Reserve System literally to open the money 
        spigots. According to Kudlow:
        
          No matter what the investment -- be it corporate 
          profits paid out as dividends, or capital gains, or new capital-goods 
          orders and shipments by large and small businesses, or new high-risk 
          venture start-ups -- higher after-tax investor-class returns will 
          place new liquidity demands on the financial system. The Fed must 
          accommodate them. 
          A shock-and-awe liquidity-expansion policy from the 
          Fed will counter our underperforming economic recovery, offset the 
          forces of worldwide deflation and recession, and stomp out deflation 
          fears at home. An aggressive liquidity stance will also accommodate 
          rising transaction demands following the latest Bush tax cut. And it 
          will even counter the negative effects of any potential breakdowns in 
          the investment portfolios of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the troubled 
          loan institutions.<A title="" 
          href="" 
          name=_ednref1>[i]<FONT 
        size=2> 
        Of course, "liquidity expansion" in Kudlow-speak is 
        nothing more than a burst of inflation, and the Federal Reserve has 
        followed suit, lowering its discount rate to something not much above 
        zero. (Kudlow and the other inflationists wanted the Fed to cut its 
        rates by more than what was actually done, but it would seem that the 
        next logical step for the Fed would be simply to dump money from 
        helicopters or hand it to passers by at the street corners.)
        Kudlow is hardly the only offender here, and while his 
        "shock and awe" analogies are over the top, the truth is that economists 
        and pundits, both left and right, have been calling for basically the 
        same solution: inflation, and more inflation. This not only reflects the 
        total misunderstanding of the current economic situation by both the 
        economic mainstream and political pundits (Well, what would we expect?), 
        but also demonstrates ignorance both of business cycles and of money 
        itself. 
        As Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises tirelessly 
        pointed out, an economic recovery occurs when consumers and investors 
        begin to direct investment into sustainable lines of production. A 
        recovery can only happen after the malinvestments that 
        accumulated during the previous boom are substantially liquidated. Of 
        course, <A 
        href=""><FONT 
        size=2>a liquidation must be permitted to 
        occur in the first place, something that the Bush Administration and the 
        Fed have fought at every turn, which <A 
        href=""><FONT 
        size=2>I note in previous articles.
        Given that the government has done everything in its 
        power to prevent the full liquidation of malinvested capital, and given 
        that the Bush Administration and Congress have substantially increased 
        the burden of government that must be borne by individuals, it seems 
        clear that the U.S. economy is not poised for a recovery. Indeed, from 
        airlines to manufacturing, the liquidation has a long way to go before 
        the economic downturn hits bottom.
        Thus, any upturn whether in economic statistics or in 
        the stock market is almost certain to follow the patterns not of 
        economic recovery but rather a mini-boom. I say "mini" because there is 
        no way that this particular boom, as pathetic as it is, can be sustained 
        for a long time, unlike the boom of the late 1990s. In fact, the Fed's 
        recent actions can only force more malinvestments which themselves will 
        have to be liquidated in the future.
        There is historical precedence for a mini-boom. During 
        the early days of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Administration, which were 
        marked by the passage of legislation like the <A 
        href=""><FONT 
        size=2>National Industrial Recovery Act and 
        the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the economy also experienced a small 
        boom. In fact, the rate of unemployment, which stood at about 25 percent 
        when FDR took office in 1933, fell to about 15 percent two years 
        later.
        The Roosevelt Administration was not the only active 
        entity in Washington. The Federal Reserve System had lowered its 
        discount rates to near-zero and the government was trying to force up 
        the inflation rate, using tactics like destroying the gold standard and 
        confiscating all gold money that individuals possessed. 
        The strategy worked, sort of. As noted earlier, some 
        people were put back to work (although thousands also found employment 
        doing government-sponsored tasks), but the boom was only temporary. 
        Government was growing quickly, along with the tax burden, the 
        regulatory state was taking form, and FDR openly savaged businessmen and 
        his comments, as <A 
        href=""><FONT 
        size=2>Robert Higgs has written, had a 
        dampening effect upon the private investment needed to bring real 
        recovery.
        Roosevelt's mini-boom came to a screeching halt by late 
        1937, as the economy fell into the trenches again, the unemployment rate 
        zooming to about 20 percent. To put it another way, FDR achieved a 
        first: he helped to create a depression within a depression.
        One hopes that the Bush Administration does not seek to 
        emulate FDR, although, like Roosevelt, this administration has forced 
        through huge increases in government expenditures and with the recent 
        Medicare bill, has dumped a gargantuan unfunded liability upon U.S. 
        taxpayers. (At least FDR did not send the armed forces all over the 
        world – at least during the 1930s. In the 1940s he helped launch the 
        biggest and most destructive war in world history.)
        As we hear the political pundits and mainstream 
        economists debate the current economic climate, perhaps terms like 
        "shock and awe" truly are appropriate. One is shocked at the economic 
        ignorance that is demonstrated time and again by the "experts," who are 
        still stuck in a Keynesian time warp that while discredited, still seems 
        to rule the intellectual roost. And one is in awe of the truly bad 
        policy prescriptions that emanate from the White House, Congress, and 
        the mainstream press.
        Yes, 2004 is an election year, and the Bush 
        Administration is desperate to make voters believe that the long-awaited 
        recovery finally is here. Furthermore, there is no shortfall of 
        Republican pundits trying to publicly make the case that the economic 
        policies of Bush II really are better than the policy disasters of Bush 
        I.
        However, there simply is no way that the policies of the 
        Fed and the Bush Administration are going to give us an economic 
        recovery. As Mises and Rothbard wrote time and again, an economic 
        recovery within a free market economy occurs as a matter of course 
        once the government steps out of the way. That clearly has not 
        happened for the past three years, and now that Bush is desperate to 
        manipulate the economy in order to pave the way for re-election, it is 
        not politically possible for this president and his underlings to take 
        the needed hands-off approach to the economy.
        Instead, we will be given the news that the wise 
        policies of the Fed and the meager and back loaded tax cuts that the 
        Republicans have given us will be enough to bring recovery. However, pay 
        no attention to the man behind the curtain (whether it be George W. Bush 
        or Alan Greenspan), for he does not know what he is doing. We are not in 
        recovery; it is nothing more than a little boom that ultimately will 
        turn into a bigger bust.
        
        
        
        
        William Anderson, an adjunct scholar of the Mises 
        Institute, teaches economics at Frostburg State University. Send 
        him <FONT 
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        Archive. 
        
        <A title="" 
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        name=_edn1>[i] Larry Kudlow, “Pour 
        it On,” <FONT 
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