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  Funny, I thought it was pathetic propaganda 
and many of the supposed facts are false. For example, Sammy Sosa is on the 
Chicago Cubs. Given Andrew Jackson's very checkered life, if he didn't have a 
criminal record, he should have, and I don't think James Baker is Goerge 
Bush's Uncle as it would have to be on his mother's side for the name to be 
different and Mama B's maiden name was Pierce, and the final count in 
Florida showed Bush won Florida by about 500 votes.  By the way, I think 
he is doing a good job and I didn't vote for 
him. (I voted Libertarian.) 
 
 As for Bush's lack of success until entering 
public life, go read the life of US. Grant or Harry Truman.  It could be 
that George Bush found his niche in govt. service.  To quote Henry 
Kissinger, "when we consider the alternatives..." just think we could have had 
anal retentive Al Gore still analyzing what to do about 9-11 and what impact 
those options would have on the spotted owl. 
 
Regards,
 
Norman
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  Ira 

  To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:34 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [RT] GEN: VON MISES & 
  THE ECONOMY
  
  Funny, I just got this in the mail
   
  Subject: ResumeGeorge Walker Bush:Past work experience: I ran 
  for congress and lost. I produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.  I bought 
  an oil company, but couldn't find anyoil in Texas; company went bankrupt 
  shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball 
  team in a sweetheart deal that took landusing taxpayer money. Biggest 
  move: Traded Sammy  Sosa to the Chicago WhiteSox.  With my 
  father's help and nearly the same name, was electedGovernor of  
  Texas.Accomplishments: I changed pollution laws for oil and power 
  companiesand made Texas the most  polluted state in the nation.  
  I replaced LosAngeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in 
  America.  I cut taxesand bankrupted the Texas government in billions 
  in borrowed  money. I setrecord for most executions by any governor 
  in American history.  I became president after losing the popular 
  vote by over 500,000 votes, withthe help of Republican appointments to the 
  Supreme Court.Accomplishments as president: I attacked and took over 
  two countries.I spent the country's surplus and bankrupted the 
  treasury.  I shatteredthe record for biggest annual deficit in 
  history.  I set economic recordfor most private bankruptcies filed in 
  any 12 month  period. I setall-time record for biggest stock market 
  drop in its history.  I am thefirst president in decades to execute a 
  federal prisoner. I am the firstpresident in US history to enter office 
  with a criminal  record.  Inmy first year in office set the 
  all-time record for most vacation daystaken by any president. After taking 
  the entire month of August off forvacation, I presided over the  
  worst security failure in US history.  I setthe record for most 
  campaign fund-raising trips of any other president in US history.  In my 
  first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.  I 
  cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any 
  president  in US history.  I set the all-time record for the 
  most mortgage foreclosures in a 12-month  period. I appointed more 
  convicted criminals to administration positions than any  president in US 
  history,  set the record for the lowest number of press conferences 
  thanany president since the invention of television.  I signed more 
  laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any  president 
  in US history.  I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history 
  and refused to  intervene when corruption was revealed. I presided over 
  the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use  the 
  national reserves as past presidents have.  I cut healthcare benefits for 
  war veterans.  I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to 
  simultaneously take to  the streets to protest me (15 million people), 
  shattering the record for  protest against any person in the history of 
  mankind.   (<A 
  href="">http://www.hyperreal..org/~dana/marches/)I 
  dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.  
  My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. 
  Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. 
  (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil 
  tankernamed after her).  I am the first president in US 
  history to have all 50 states bankrupted at the same time. I presided over 
  the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any  country in 
  the history of the world.  I am the first president in US history to 
  order a US attack and military  occupation of a sovereign nation.  I 
  created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of 
  the  UnitedStates.  I set the all-time record for biggest annual 
  budget spending increases,more than any president in US history, while at 
  the same time proposingtax cuts.  I am the first president in 
  US history to have the United Nations remove the  US from the human 
  rights commission. I am the first president in US history to have the United 
  Nations remove the  US from the elections monitoring board.  My 
  administration has the least amount of congressional oversight than any 
  in  US history.  I withdrew from the World Court of Law.  I 
  refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war, as prescribed 
  by  the Geneva Convention. I hold the record for most corporate 
  campaign donations.  My biggest lifetime campaign contributor, who is 
  also one of my best friends,  presided over one of the largest corporate 
  bankruptcy frauds in world history  (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron 
  Corporation).  I spent more money on polls and focus groups than 
  anypresident in US  history.  I am the first president in US 
  history tounilaterally attack a sovereign  nation against the will of 
  the United Nations and the world community. I am the first US president in 
  history to have a majority of the people of  Europe (71%) view my 
  presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and  stability.  I 
  changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government  
  contracts.  I set all-time records for the number of 
  administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge 
  investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.  I 
  failed to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. I failedto capture the 
  anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of ourcountry at the United 
  States Capitol building. After 18 months I have noleads  and zero 
  suspects.  I removed more freedoms and civil liberties forAmericans 
  than any other  president in US history. In a little over two years I 
  created the most divided country in decades,  possibly the 
  mostdivided the US has ever been since the Civil War. I entered office 
  with thestrongest economy in US history and in less than two years every 
  economiccategory plunged.Records and References: I have at least 
  one conviction for drunkdriving in Maine (Texas driving  record has 
  been erased and is not available).I was AWOL from National 
  Guard.  Records from my tenure as governor ofTexas are in my father's 
  library,  unavailable for public view.  All records of any SEC 
  investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt  companies are sealed 
  and unavailable for public view.  All minutes of meetings for any public 
  corporation I served on the board are  sealed and unavailable for public 
  view.  Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended 
  regarding public  energy policy are sealed and unavailable for public 
  review.  For personal references please speak to my daddy or 
  uncleJames Baker (They  can be reached at their offices of the 
  Carlyle Group forwar-profiteering).
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    >From: 
    Mark Simms 
    
    To: <A 
    title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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    Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:44 
    PM
    Subject: RE: [RT] GEN: VON MISES & 
    THE ECONOMY
    
    EXACTLY, THE 
    GOVERNMENT IS GETTING IN THE WAY. 
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    Look at what 
    Bush did for the steel industry. He's holding them "bums" up with the import 
    tariffs and restrictions.
    <FONT color=#0000ff 
    size=2>Interestingly, the OPPOSITE is true for the IT services industry with 
    the multitude of H-1B and the L-1 visa issuance of the past 2 
    years.
    That industry 
    in the US has declined to nothingness....never to 
return.
    What gives ? 
    Why this UN-EVEN treatment ?
    Answer: dumb, 
    poorly thought-out legislation and more importantly, slow reaction 
    time to correct these "mistakes".
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    If everyone 
    in business for themselves took as long as the government to correct their 
    business "mistakes",
    there would 
    be no commerce, everyone would be out-of-business !
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      <FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Charles Meyer 
      [mailto:chaze@xxxxxxxx]Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:55 
      AMTo: REAL TRADERSSubject: [RT] GEN: VON MISES & 
      THE ECONOMY
       
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      Article 
      To: <A title=article@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      href="">Mises Daily Article 
      Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:12 AM
      Subject: Recovery or Boomlet?
      
      <A 
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      <FONT 
      color=#002864>Recovery or Boomlet? 
      
      by William L. Anderson
      [Posted July 8, 2003]
      <IMG src="" 
      align=right border=0 NOSEND="1">In recent weeks, the stock market has 
      staged a mild rally. Though the most recent unemployment numbers are well 
      over six percent, Republicans, as well as a few market analysts, are 
      claiming that the long overdue economic recovery has arrived. While I wish 
      that were the case, the facts demonstrate otherwise; this is not a 
      recovery, but simply an unsustainable mini-boom that makes the long-term 
      economic picture even worse.
      That is not how we hear things from the government, not 
      surprisingly. Administration officials, hopeful that a strong economy next 
      year will boost George W. Bush's election chances, have been trumpeting 
      the end to the longest economic downturn in this country since the Great 
      Depression of 70 years ago. His media supporters, such as <A 
      href=""><FONT 
      size=2>Larry Kudlow, and <A 
      href=""><FONT 
      size=2>Neil Cavuto also agree and have called 
      for the Federal Reserve System literally to open the money spigots. 
      According to Kudlow:
      
        No matter what the investment -- be it corporate profits 
        paid out as dividends, or capital gains, or new capital-goods orders and 
        shipments by large and small businesses, or new high-risk venture 
        start-ups -- higher after-tax investor-class returns will place new 
        liquidity demands on the financial system. The Fed must accommodate 
        them. 
        A shock-and-awe liquidity-expansion policy from the Fed 
        will counter our underperforming economic recovery, offset the forces of 
        worldwide deflation and recession, and stomp out deflation fears at 
        home. An aggressive liquidity stance will also accommodate rising 
        transaction demands following the latest Bush tax cut. And it will even 
        counter the negative effects of any potential breakdowns in the 
        investment portfolios of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the troubled loan 
        institutions.<A title="" 
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      Of course, "liquidity expansion" in Kudlow-speak is 
      nothing more than a burst of inflation, and the Federal Reserve has 
      followed suit, lowering its discount rate to something not much above 
      zero. (Kudlow and the other inflationists wanted the Fed to cut its rates 
      by more than what was actually done, but it would seem that the next 
      logical step for the Fed would be simply to dump money from helicopters or 
      hand it to passers by at the street corners.)
      Kudlow is hardly the only offender here, and while his 
      "shock and awe" analogies are over the top, the truth is that economists 
      and pundits, both left and right, have been calling for basically the same 
      solution: inflation, and more inflation. This not only reflects the total 
      misunderstanding of the current economic situation by both the economic 
      mainstream and political pundits (Well, what would we expect?), but also 
      demonstrates ignorance both of business cycles and of money 
      itself. 
      As Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises tirelessly pointed 
      out, an economic recovery occurs when consumers and investors begin to 
      direct investment into sustainable lines of production. A recovery can 
      only happen after the malinvestments that accumulated during 
      the previous boom are substantially liquidated. Of course, <A 
      href=""><FONT 
      size=2>a liquidation must be permitted to 
      occur in the first place, something that the Bush Administration and the 
      Fed have fought at every turn, which <A 
      href=""><FONT 
      size=2>I note in previous articles.
      Given that the government has done everything in its power 
      to prevent the full liquidation of malinvested capital, and given that the 
      Bush Administration and Congress have substantially increased the burden 
      of government that must be borne by individuals, it seems clear that the 
      U.S. economy is not poised for a recovery. Indeed, from airlines to 
      manufacturing, the liquidation has a long way to go before the economic 
      downturn hits bottom.
      Thus, any upturn whether in economic statistics or in the 
      stock market is almost certain to follow the patterns not of economic 
      recovery but rather a mini-boom. I say "mini" because there is no way that 
      this particular boom, as pathetic as it is, can be sustained for a long 
      time, unlike the boom of the late 1990s. In fact, the Fed's recent actions 
      can only force more malinvestments which themselves will have to be 
      liquidated in the future.
      There is historical precedence for a mini-boom. During the 
      early days of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Administration, which were marked 
      by the passage of legislation like the <A 
      href=""><FONT 
      size=2>National Industrial Recovery Act and 
      the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the economy also experienced a small 
      boom. In fact, the rate of unemployment, which stood at about 25 percent 
      when FDR took office in 1933, fell to about 15 percent two years 
      later.
      The Roosevelt Administration was not the only active 
      entity in Washington. The Federal Reserve System had lowered its discount 
      rates to near-zero and the government was trying to force up the inflation 
      rate, using tactics like destroying the gold standard and confiscating all 
      gold money that individuals possessed. 
      The strategy worked, sort of. As noted earlier, some 
      people were put back to work (although thousands also found employment 
      doing government-sponsored tasks), but the boom was only temporary. 
      Government was growing quickly, along with the tax burden, the regulatory 
      state was taking form, and FDR openly savaged businessmen and his 
      comments, as <A 
      href=""><FONT 
      size=2>Robert Higgs has written, had a 
      dampening effect upon the private investment needed to bring real 
      recovery.
      Roosevelt's mini-boom came to a screeching halt by late 
      1937, as the economy fell into the trenches again, the unemployment rate 
      zooming to about 20 percent. To put it another way, FDR achieved a first: 
      he helped to create a depression within a depression.
      One hopes that the Bush Administration does not seek to 
      emulate FDR, although, like Roosevelt, this administration has forced 
      through huge increases in government expenditures and with the recent 
      Medicare bill, has dumped a gargantuan unfunded liability upon U.S. 
      taxpayers. (At least FDR did not send the armed forces all over the world 
      – at least during the 1930s. In the 1940s he helped launch the biggest and 
      most destructive war in world history.)
      As we hear the political pundits and mainstream economists 
      debate the current economic climate, perhaps terms like "shock and awe" 
      truly are appropriate. One is shocked at the economic ignorance that is 
      demonstrated time and again by the "experts," who are still stuck in a 
      Keynesian time warp that while discredited, still seems to rule the 
      intellectual roost. And one is in awe of the truly bad policy 
      prescriptions that emanate from the White House, Congress, and the 
      mainstream press.
      Yes, 2004 is an election year, and the Bush Administration 
      is desperate to make voters believe that the long-awaited recovery finally 
      is here. Furthermore, there is no shortfall of Republican pundits trying 
      to publicly make the case that the economic policies of Bush II really are 
      better than the policy disasters of Bush I.
      However, there simply is no way that the policies of the 
      Fed and the Bush Administration are going to give us an economic recovery. 
      As Mises and Rothbard wrote time and again, an economic recovery within a 
      free market economy occurs as a matter of course once the government 
      steps out of the way. That clearly has not happened for the past 
      three years, and now that Bush is desperate to manipulate the economy in 
      order to pave the way for re-election, it is not politically possible for 
      this president and his underlings to take the needed hands-off approach to 
      the economy.
      Instead, we will be given the news that the wise policies 
      of the Fed and the meager and back loaded tax cuts that the Republicans 
      have given us will be enough to bring recovery. However, pay no attention 
      to the man behind the curtain (whether it be George W. Bush or Alan 
      Greenspan), for he does not know what he is doing. We are not in recovery; 
      it is nothing more than a little boom that ultimately will turn into a 
      bigger bust.
      
      
      
      
      William Anderson, an adjunct scholar of the Mises 
      Institute, teaches economics at Frostburg State University. Send 
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      Archive. 
      
      <A title="" 
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      name=_edn1>[i] Larry Kudlow, “Pour it 
      On,” <FONT 
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