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No President Republican or Democrat has ever spent "the money" only
congress can fund federal spending. Gov. 101.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Johnson [mailto:dsj000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:32 PM
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RT] spx daily
Reagan spent the money -- not Congress. He forced HUGE defense and
related spending, and ran up the largest deficits ever as a result.
This congress-spending stuff is a myth of the Reagan years, propagated
by those involved, and also those who don't know anything about
economics, but believe anything they are told by their own politically
correct info sources. Reagan practiced Keynes theory big time, but
preached supply side. Biggest con job ever. Congress actually did not
want to spend as much money at that time. Revenue went way up --
exactly according to Keynesian principles.
It may have been the right thing to do, but the misrepresentation was
(and
is) very cynical, and plays on the educational ignorance of the USA
public.
If a so-called "liberal" (the reduction of all viewpoints to a
one-dimensional right vs. left alignment is in itself idiotic, worthy
only of the Fox channel) had proposed the same programs at that time, he
would have been blocked by the Republicans.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sptrader" <sptrader@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] spx daily
> That's what happened in the Regan years- revenue went way up due to
> the
tax
> cuts, it's just that congress spent the additional revenue Plus alot
> more. Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BobsKC" <bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] spx daily
>
>
> > I believe his thinking is that if you reduce unemployment via the
creation
> > of jobs via spending by the public, you get a lot more tax money
> > coming
> in.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > At 12:19 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >He has also stated a commitment to reduce the budget deficit. It
remains
> > >to be seen how the tax reduction he has argued for would accomplish
that.
> > >I haven't seen a single analysis that explains how this tax cut
> > >will reduce the deficit.
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >DanG
> > >
> > >Kent Rollins wrote:
> > >>How is it inconsistent? First, he cut taxes. Then he cut taxes
> > >>again. Seems consistent to me.
> > >>
> > >>Kent Rollins
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: <mailto:TheGonch@xxxxxxxxxxx>Dan Goncharoff
> > >>To:
> > >><mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 4:47 AM
> > >>Subject: Re: [RT] spx daily
> > >>
> > >>Bush may (or may not) be smart politically, but there is clearly a
> > >>difference between his foreign policy team, which incorporates a
> > >>diversity of views, and his economic team, where very member of
> > >>the original team has quit or been pushed out. Bush seems to be
> > >>lacking
the
> > >>economic policy equivalent of Rice, someone who defines a
> > >>longer-term consistent message. Until he gets one, I will not
> > >>trust Bush's policy
to
> > >>be well thought-out.
> > >>
> > >>That to me is the biggest reason to be worried about the future of
> > >>the
> US
> > >>economy -- a president (or administration) that doesn't understand
what
> > >>it is doing can cause a lot of damage.
> > >>
> > >>Regards
> > >>DanG
> > >>
> > >>Kent Rollins wrote:
> > >>> >The current economic condition is SYSTEMIC....and thus
> > >>> >resistant to
> > >>> "Quick fixes".
> > >>>
> > >>>Three years of a down economy is not "quick". And "resistant" is
> > >>>not impermeable.
> > >>>
> > >>> >Bush fired Laurel and Hardy (O'Neill and Lindsay) because they
told
> > >>> him you can't cut taxes, wage expensive war, and continue
> > >>> sponsoring
a
> > >>> huge, costly bureaucracy in Washington....it's economic suicide
> > >>> in
the
> > >>> long run.
> > >>> >That's why he fired them....but THEY were right.
> > >>>
> > >>>If O'Neill and Lindsay were in your opinion right, then why do
> > >>>you
> refer
> > >>>to them as Laurel and Hardy. This is part of your problem,
> > >>>MASSIVE Mark. You are overly critical of everything. We're
> > >>>either going to have MASSIVE inflation or MASSIVE deflation. You
> > >>>don't care which as long as it is MASSIVE and destructive.
> > >>>
> > >>> >These deficit projections are just the
> > >>> >tip-of-the-iceberg.......and
> > >>> incredibly, there is still no talk of government cut-backs in
spending
> > >>> programs and transfer payments.....just incredible !
> > >>>
> > >>>Bush is smart politically. There was a study done in the late
> > >>>80's
> that
> > >>>said for every new dollar of tax money brought to the government
> > >>>by economic growth, Washington spent $1.30 (or some figure like
> > >>>that). That was the 80's. I doubt things have changed. Bush is
> > >>>choking of Washington's money supply. That's the only way to get
them
> > >>>to reduce spending. It's the only way PERIOD. You seem to think
that
> > >>>these bigger deficits are a problem. Recently, there was a book
> > >>>published that studied the effects of large national debts on
> > >>>countries. England in the 1800's had a national debt that was
> > >>>300%
of
> > >>>GDP. THAT'S MASSIVE, MARK. A number even you would appreciate.
They
> > >>>built up that debt thru wars and empire building. But it wasn't
> > >>>a problem for England. They paid it off and now they are just
> > >>>fine.
> > >>>
> > >>>The only way to make Tiny Daschle say "Well, I guess we don't
> > >>>have
> money
> > >>>for new social-dependency (aka vote-buying) programs." is to put
> > >>>him
in
> > >>>a deficit position. What are the Dumocrats really complaining
> > >>>about today? Listen carefully. They are complaining that they
> > >>>can't enact
a
> > >>>drug benenfits program (aka social dependency program, aka
vote-buying
> > >>>program). They are complaining that they can't make healthcare
> > >>>free
> for
> > >>>everyone. They don't want to pay down the debt. They want to
> > >>>take
our
> > >>>money from us and use it to make us dependent on a social welfare
> > >>>State. Despite the fact that we know socialism and welfare
> failed...MASSIVELY.
> > >>>
> > >>>The only way...THE ONLY WAY...to cut Washington's spending habit
> > >>>is
to
> > >>>take away their money. And THAT is exactly what Nucular George
> > >>>is
> doing.
> > >>>
> > >>>Do you see anything in the world today that is going right,
> > >>>MASSIVE Mark? Anything positive?
> > >>>
> > >>>Kent Rollins
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>From: <mailto:mar.ko@xxxxxxxxxxx>Mark Simms
> > >>>To:
> > >>><mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:55 AM
> > >>>Subject: RE: Re[3]: [RT] spx daily
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm not thinking MASSIVE here, only LONG-TERM.
> > >>>Part of my bearishness comes from the current high PE Ratios for
> > >>>one....there just seems to be so much ANTICIPATION for a big
> > >>>recovery
> here...
> > >>>I don't see it, quite frankly.
> > >>>Bush fired Laurel and Hardy (O'Neill and Lindsay) because they
> > >>>told
> him
> > >>>you can't cut taxes, wage expensive war, and continue sponsoring
> > >>>a
> huge,
> > >>>costly bureaucracy in Washington....it's economic suicide in the
> > >>>long
> run.
> > >>>Bush did not want to hear this....moreover, he's
"dumb"...economically.
> > >>>That's why he fired them....but THEY were right.
> > >>>These deficit projections are just the
> > >>>tip-of-the-iceberg.......and incredibly, there is still no talk
> > >>>of government cut-backs in
spending
> > >>>programs and transfer payments.....just incredible !
> > >>>Unfortunately, Bush may be out of office before this is proven
> correct.....
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>From: Kent Rollins
> > >>>>[<mailto:kentr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:kentr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:16 AM
> > >>>>To:
> > >>>><mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>Subject: Re: Re[3]: [RT] spx daily
> > >>>>
> > >>>>How can YOU ignore everything besides the tech sector? If
everything
> > >>>>but the tech sector has turned the corner on the economy, that
sounds
> > >>>>like a good thing to me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>With respect to the "derivatives bubble", prove to me that there
> > >>>>is one. This is the first I've heard about it. Lately, Warren
> > >>>>Buffet
> has
> > >>>>been saying a lot of stuff with which I don't agree.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>FYI, consumers have been repairing their balance sheets as well.
> Sorry
> > >>>>I can't remember the numbers on that one either. It's not as
dramatic
> > >>>>as the improvements on the corporate side, but it was an
improvement.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>So you're joining Simms on predicting MASSIVE Great Depression
> > >>>>II.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Kent Rollins
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>From: <mailto:bradcline@xxxxxxxxx>Brad Cline
> > >>>>To:
> > >>>><mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:08 AM
> > >>>>Subject: RE: Re[3]: [RT] spx daily
> > >>>>
> > >>>>How can you ignore the tech sector? That's like pro forma
accounting.
> > >>>>If I didn't have to make my house payment everything is rosy.
> > >>>>The markets have seen their lows only if the derivitivies bubble
> > >>>>doesn't burst, or consumer debt doesn't come home to roost.
> > >>>>Warren Buffet
has
> > >>>>said that derivities are a "time bomb" waiting to happen. Maybe
> > >>>>the
> fed
> > >>>>will be able to balance everything out over time but I wouldn't
> > >>>>bet
on
> it.
> > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>From: Kent Rollins
> > >>>>>[<mailto:kentr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:kentr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:12 PM
> > >>>>>To:
> > >>>>><mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>Subject: Re: Re[3]: [RT] spx daily
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Corporations have been doing balance sheet repair for 2 years
> > >>>>>now. AT&T alone has eliminate over $50 BILLION in debt. I saw
> > >>>>>on
> the
> > >>>>>tube last week someone who had a stunning statistic on what the
> > >>>>>S&P profits are if you ignore the tech sector. Wish I could
> > >>>>>remember
> what
> > >>>>>that statistic was. And the tech sector will fall in line soon
> > >>>>>enough. You are stuck in a rut. The markets have seen their
> > >>>>>lows. Shake it off.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Kent Rollins
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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