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Re: [RT] Option order cancellation fees



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Yes, Eurex has a mechanism called 'transaction limits', which was
originally instituted after several instances when new versions of
members' order entry systems caused updated quotes to be sent every
second.

One description of the Eurex mechanism is as follows:

In order to encourage a responsible attitude
towards use of the system's resources by members, Eurex defines limits
for the number of transactions generated on a member's front end which
are transmitted to the Eurex back end.  Every "request" transaction
which generates a response to the user (e.g. Order/Quote- Add, Change,
Delete, and inquiries etc.) counts as a transaction. Product-specific
limits (number of transactions per product, per day per member) and
non-product-specific limits (number of non-product-specific transactions
per day per member) are defined. Separate limits are set for the number
of MASS Quote transactions that can be generated as part of the
product-specific limits.

Members are potentially liable for additional fees if the number of
transactions entered into the Eurex system during one day exceeds any
of the limits set in each category.

http://www.eurexchange.com/marketaccess/marketmodel/trade_types2.html#P210_24547

Eurex does not have any concept of market makers rounding up orders to
a size of ten options, so that is not an issue for Eurex. It is purely
a mechanism for penalizing excessive system activity.

Note that this charge is between the exchange and its 'members'. What
the members charge their customers can be another story, which is one
of Alex's points.

Regards
DanG


qwerasdf12345 wrote:

  Doesn't Eurex have a fee structure along those lines?  Something 
like "X number of messages into the trading system per day is 
reasonable for your type of client.  X+Y we'll tolerate, but we'll 
charge you for Y" with X being a fairly high number and tied to the 
actual volume transacted by that client.

--- In realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Hill, Ernest E" 
<ernie.hill@xxxx> wrote:
  
  
    I am with you Earl. I may stop trading index options strictly on
principal since I frequently alter my bids as the market moves. The 
    
  
  idea
  
  
    of hitting small traders that trade in lots of 10-20 with this fee 
    
  
  is
  
  
    absurd. If the reason is to target system abusers then it should be 
    
  
  a
  
  
    fee based on volume of order cancellations not every one.
 
E

	-----Original Message-----
	From: EarlA [mailto:earl.a@x...] 
	Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:34 PM
	To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
	Subject: Re: [RT] Option order cancellation fees
	
	
	So you penalize the small traders because they don't deal in 
    
  
  50
  
  
    contracts at
	a time. The small traders pull back and now there is less
liquidity ... but
	then the only good liquidity is liquidity provided by market
makers ... what
	a crock. So too is the assumption that brokerage firms will 
    
  
  not
  
  
    pass along
	the fee because they won't get hit with it 98% of the time. 
    
  
  When
  
  
    you have a
	brokerage firm which runs razor thin commissions, they are 
    
  
  going
  
  
    to assume
	that they will get hit with it because they can't afford to
assume that they
	won't. Yes, maybe the fat cat brokerage firms like Schwab and
Fidelity,
	which charge high commissions can eat the fee, but so what. 
    
  
  And
  
  
    you can kiss
	GTC orders via the deep discount firms goodbye because their
customers will
	get hit with a cancellation fee for canceling or modifying the
order.
	
	I pay $1.00 to IB to execute one $16,000 contract for a deep 
    
  
  in
  
  
    the money
	SPX Put and you guys charge me $1.20 to cancel an order ... 
    
  
  what
  
  
    a deal!
	
	I can't wait to return the call I received from the SEC today!
	
	Earl
	
	
	
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