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Re: [RT] Re: Option order cancellation fees



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You are assuming 'bandwidth' only applies to communications bandwidth.
In this context, it has to refer to the entire real-time processing
stream. You can only process as much as the 'narrowest' part of the
system allows. That may or may not be the telecom link to the exchange.

Regards
DanG

qwerasdf12345 wrote:

  That argument about bandwidth is spurious.  One, bandwidth is getting 
cheaper all the time, two, a single order cancellation is literally a 
few bytes at most - the cost of transmitting it or taking it in is, 
let's say:

100 bytes (being generous and including overhead)
= 800 bits.

A T1 line running at 1,544,000 bits/s costs about USD750/month in the 
US.  Let's use that as a benchmark.  It handles 1,544,000 x 86,400 x 
30 bits/month = 4 x 10^12 bits/month.

[800 / (4 x 10^12)] x USD750 = USD0.00000015  Seriously.

Given that cost, charging USD1.20 *must* be motivated by something 
other than the desire to make a profit on comms alone.

--- In realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dan Goncharoff <TheGonch@xxxx> 
wrote:
  
  
    The issue for the exchanges is purely a technical one. Bandwidth is 
    
  
  a 
  
  
    major fixed expense. Constant updating of prices for far OTM 
    
  
  options 
  
  
    that don't trade takes as much bandwidth as updates for ATMs. All 
traders would have to be penalized to pay for the construction of 
    
  
  more 
  
  
    bandwidth. Instead, the exchange has taxed bandwidth use, which 
    
  
  will hit 
  
  
    hardest those who use bandwidth excessively.

That said, I think I already made the observation in a previous 
    
  
  message 
  
  
    that Eurex, which I am closer to, only taxes bandwidth use above a 
'normal' amount, which means the typical retail customer never sees 
    
  
  it. 
  
  
    The tax being charged in the US seems to apply to every update, and 
    
  
  so 
  
  
    is penalizing those who did not cause the problem, which does look 
    
  
  unfair.
  
  
    Regards
DanG

Terry B. Rhodes wrote:

    
    
      I'm a little slow, so correct me if I'm wrong, but 
correctly interpreted this really means... ...Firms were 
adding liquidity, cutting into our spreads (to the benefit 
of retail customers), so we all got together and decided 
to penalize them with a tax instead of via true competition.

Sounds like the SOES battle all over again.

It seems especially wrong that the ISE is taking part in 
this. In the past I've always routed my orders to them as 
a sign of support. This will no longer be true.

regards,

tbr

 

      
      
        From: Mano Appapillai <manoappapillai@xxxx>
Subject: Re: Option order cancellation fees

Here is the response from a person closer to the Exchanges :
   


        
      
       

      
      
        There were some firms that where sending thousands of orders
per second and then cancel and replacing them with a slight move 
        
      
    
  
  of the underlying.
  
  
    
      
        They were essentially trying to act as market makers.  This not 
        
      
    
  
  only ties up the resources of the exchange,
  
  
    
      
        but also of the brokerage firms and ISVs.  Just think of all the 
        
      
    
  
  option classes and strike prices they
  
  
    
      
        would constantly readjust and you can imagine the order flow 
        
      
    
  
  without any revenue generating trading occurring.
  
  
    
      
        
Mano Appapillai

4565 Saddle Mountain Ct

San Diego, CA 92130

Tel : 858 794 8494

   

        
      
      

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