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--- In realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, <grehert@xxxx> wrote:
> Apparently a virus has been disseminated through this email list.
Would someone advise the group how to check if our individual
computers are infected?
Don't bother, just replace all your computers...if money is a
problem just drop the virus disseminator a line. "The cost of
replacing your computer is irrelevant." I'm sure he'll help you
out :-)
> add my name back to the list, the infected computer has been
replaced.
>After successfully trading these markets for over 40 years, the cost
of the computer is irrelevant.
> erdely@xxxx
> ederdely@xxxx
>
> G. Rehert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:54 AM
> Subject: [RT] Digest Number 1264
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> There are 9 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
> From: Dom Perrino <acutimer@xxxx>
> 2. Fibonacci techniques for timing markets
> From: Neal Hughes <traderr@xxxx>
> 3. Re: A very funny website/virus
> From: "erdely@xxxx" <erdely@xxxx>
> 4. Security Alert -- massive flood against UPD port 1434
> From: Mark Jurik <mark@xxxx>
> 5. RE: Security Alert -- massive flood against UPD port
1434 (UPDATE)
> From: Mark Jurik <mark@xxxx>
> 6. Re: A very funny website/virus
> From: "tradewynne <tradewynne@xxxx>" <tradewynne@xxxx>
> 7. Re: A very funny website/virus
> From: "Bob" <sampah2002@xxxx>
> 8. Re: Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
> From: BobsKC <bobskc@xxxx>
> 9. Re: [MedianLine] Constant Range Bars and PF
> From: "BobR" <bobrabcd@xxxx>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:21:48 -0500
> From: Dom Perrino <acutimer@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
>
> Bob,
> I did not comment or respond to your below email. After
thinking about it I came to the conclusion that not to respond would
not be appropriate as it would not address the issue(s) that may have
resulted in any misunderstanding(s) from the exchange(s) between
myself and Ben in the emails that culminated in your below comment.
In addition by not doing so I would be committing an act of omission(
looking the other way ). Acts of omissions have in history proven as
dangerous and many times even more dangerous than acts of commission.
As a result this response.
> Ben and I have been friends and now each on personal basis for
over twenty years.I first met Ben when I was a stockbroker with a
major NYC brokerage firm.He was a client of another broker in that
particular office where he would frequently stop in. We became
friends very quickly as we were both very interested in the stock
market and the commodities markets as well. In short I know Ben in
the person. I know his strong points and his weak points and he knows
mine. Friends also at times have disagreements. Most of our personal
disagreements are private. I have a tendency to be precise and exact.
Ben has a tendency not to be as exact. That could be due to the fact
that I was previously in the accounting field. In any event I made
the mistake of not sending private email this time. This may have
caused him to lose his cool, which he rarely does. But the main
point, after giving this very brief background, is that I never
considered Ben as a second language person and still don't. When that
first surfaced on your below email I did not even know what you were
talking about. I am a good technical analysis person but not very
good at computers ( that's Ben end, that's not to say he is not good
at technical analysis ), I thought you may have been referring to
Computer Language. The idea of Ben having English as a second
language was never a problem with me. The problem I did have and
still do is his presentation of his material. It's all that simple,
this whole misunderstanding.
> Regards,
> Dom Perrino
> dperrino@xxxx
> domperrino@xxxx
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> From: BobsKC
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
>
>
> Ben, (as he has said many, many, times on this list), does not
speak english as his first language and I think that on rare
occasion, people may misconstrue his meaning. Even so, he is very
generous to share his thoughts and to some degree, his methodologies
with the list on a regular basis. I am sure he meant no insult to
you.
>
> Earnings nailed the dead cat bounce today but it is still due.
>
> Bob
>
>
> At 12:09 PM 1/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> No need to get defensive. Not everyone has the system and
keeping track of entries and exit points would enhance understanding
of each entry and exit point and would show results in real time.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: profitok
>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:13 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [RT] Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
>
>
> the profit taking index, the long term trading and the
perfect stop loss are tools, you need your brain to use the tools
to make a call
>
> see work doc in poor English that tries to explain the tools
>
> as for the system
>
> I gave the free version to hundreds of people
>
> and with the GREAT feed back it is using YOUR
suggestions that contributes to IMPROVING the system
>
> (for the next version)
>
> have a great trading day
>
> Ben
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Acutimer
>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:44 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [RT] Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
>
>
> If this system is going to be in metastock,amibroker and ts
is it going to be able to change signals after reevaluating p/c ratio
or other criteria after signal is already given or is system not yet
completed?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: profitok
>
> To: wheelsinthesky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Cc: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; ntt-
list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; panda2222@xxxx
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:50 PM
>
> Subject: [RT] Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
>
>
> I was a little early today to close 1/2 of my shorts at
895.3,,
>
> I have a gtc to buy the other 1/2 at 884.45,,to close rest
of shorts,
>
> there is a better than 80% probability we make a lower low
tomorrow,
>
> on the bottom of this message are the profit taking index
that says :close
>
> your shorts(gif z12103)
>
> long term trading says we could go another 10-15 before a
bottom(gif
>
> long12103)
>
> and the perfect stop loss(gif showing lines lmn) is at
the following
>
> levels(gif lmn12103)
>
> 900.65 buy to close if 884.45 not met
>
> 901.75 go long 25%
>
> 910.05 go long 75%
>
> 911.80 long100%
>
> any questions?
>
> all 3 propriety but avail soon in metastock,amibroker and
TS
>
> Ben
>
> profitok@xxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: <bltrading@xxxx>
>
> To: <wheelsinthesky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:33 PM
>
> Subject: [wheelsinthesky] So when's the low?
>
>
>
> > I must have seen at least a dozen posts predicting a low
between
>
> > Friday and Tuesday in the 890s. I don't have a timing
cluster until
>
> > this weekend but SPX883 sure has ALOT going for it. If
that breaks I
>
> > wouldn't expect 868 to hold.
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> >
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> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:59:00 -0800
> From: Neal Hughes <traderr@xxxx>
> Subject: Fibonacci techniques for timing markets
>
> Hi RealTraders,
>
> The following is educational content extracted from my website,
contributed
> here for your enjoyment... Although this example is an S&P trade
(e-mini),
> the techniques are transferable to stocks and other instruments.
This
> technique is best applied when there is ample liquidity, and a
good trend.
>
> This is not a "trading system", nor is it perfect. It is one of
several
> great entry/exit techniques that can give you an edge in a
trending market.
> There is more to trading than just entry and exit techniques...
My
> intention is not to outline a complete trading methodology here.
>
> Best wishes as we approach some important Fibonacci support areas
in the
> markets next week!
> -Neal Hughes.
>
> ---------------------------
> "Trade of the day Fri Jan 24"
>
> We had more great trades in the chat room today. 20 points on NQ
overnight
> as well as 14.5 points on S&P, and similar on the Dow YM.. Well
done Streeter!
>
> Today I want to focus on a follow-up on the training seminar I
did on
> Thursday. The entry rules were explained in the seminar, and I
was actually
> juggling this trade while preparing the seminar for distribution.
>
> I don't expect anyone to jump into a trade right after I've done
a training
> session, but the entry was clear, and the gains substantial.
>
> This seminar was for subscribers only, but this trade-of-the-day
will
> hi-light some of the key principles.
>
> The over-all perspective is that we were in a down-trend on the
daily chart
> (MACD, RSI,etc), so looking to short the intra-day chart. We
resisted at a
> Fibonacci level, .618 at about 889 on the ES chart. Shortly there-
after the
> Stochastic fast line (blue) closed below the slow line (red)
triggering the
> entry, in the region of 885. My own entry was more like 883
though, since I
> was juggling some conversations and preparing a seminar...
> Intraday 15 minute chart:
>
<http://www.fibmarkets.com/YaBBImages/Attachments/030124_es_tod_15.gif
>
>
> The seminar yesterday did not extend to exit rules, so the
following is
> unrelated to the seminar.
>
> One part of trading that traders struggle with, is letting
profits run. In
> this case, the 10-minute Stochastic kept us in the trade all the
way down
> to the bottom at 866. See 10-minute chart for these details.. The
exit area
> is marked on the chart.
> Intraday 15 minute chart:
>
<http://www.fibmarkets.com/YaBBImages/Attachments/030124_es_tod_10.gif
>
>
> In this case the market went on beyond the profit objective. This
can
> happen, and should be expected. It's not realistic to capture
every dollar
> of every move, especially with just one technique..
>
> Another great day in the markets! Join us every day, [reference
to website
> and chat room deleted out of respect for spam-sensitive list
members].
>
> -Neal.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:20:18 -0500
> From: "erdely@xxxx" <erdely@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: A very funny website/virus
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Bob sampah2002@xxxx
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:49:48 -0500
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [RT] A very funny website/virus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <erdely@xxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] A very funny website/virus
> >
> >
> > add my name back to the list, the infected computer has been
replaced.
> >
>
> After successfully trading these markets for over 40 years, the
cost of the
> computer is irrelevant.
> > erdely@xxxx
> > ederdely@xxxx
> >
>
> A good, regularly update antivirus program is a LOT more cost
effective
> than replacing the computer . You can download a free one at
> www.grisoft.com.
>
> Bob
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:06:19 -0700
> From: Mark Jurik <mark@xxxx>
> Subject: Security Alert -- massive flood against UPD port 1434
>
> Jan 25, 10am
>
> Sometime late lastnight my ATT cable shot up to 99% utilization
and continues to do so 10 hours later. On checking my firewall, I
discovered numerous computers trying to access UDP port 1434 on my
computer. Seems like a DDS attack gone amuck.
>
> If you have cable/DSL and are always online without a firewall,
you may want to get your O/S to temporarily disable UDP port 1434.
>
> - mark jurik
>
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> PS - Here is a sample of my firewall report:
>
> JAN 25 11:19:06 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 209.202.216.54 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 11:13:56 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 130.243.8.153 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 11:02:56 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 216.148.227.68 to 12.254.77.80 for port
29493 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:59:43 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 208.57.243.220 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:49:51 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 212.113.161.133 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:48:40 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 209.73.224.142 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:46:41 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 212.19.197.98 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:43:39 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 65.163.241.18 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:41:36 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 217.22.192.119 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:40:44 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 64.53.181.2 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:40:03 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 216.140.239.162 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:35:03 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 65.118.28.230 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:34:22 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 210.238.195.14 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:31:10 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 168.156.112.177 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:29:15 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 12.144.155.21 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:29:08 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 209.202.216.54 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:24:36 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 62.118.252.82 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
>
> JAN 25 10:23:44 2003
> IP Packet discarded from 218.30.21.201 to 12.254.77.80 for port
1434 (UDP)
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:26:58 -0700
> From: Mark Jurik <mark@xxxx>
> Subject: RE: Security Alert -- massive flood against UPD port
1434 (UPDATE)
>
> The UDP port 1434 attack seems to be directed at servers.
>
> For more information on this and a significant security flaw
> in Windows XP, go to Gibson Research site at ...
>
> http://grc.com/default.htm
>
>
>
> - mark jurik
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:06:09 -0000
> From: "tradewynne <tradewynne@xxxx>" <tradewynne@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: A very funny website/virus
>
> > After successfully trading these markets for over 40 years, the
> cost of the computer is irrelevant.
> > > erdely@xxxx
> > > ederdely@xxxx
>
> We are all glad to hear it, but the AV software may save others
> trouble: do you realize you sent viruses to the entire list and
> probably everyone else in your address book? There is a good
chance
> some of them who (like you) don't have AV software will be sending
> this same virus back to you again and again....unless you buy
them new
> computers too ;-)....
>
> As Bob said:
>
> You can download a free one at
> > www.grisoft.com.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Or you can flush money down to toilet, muck up
> the list, and your friends' and family's computers,
> for no good reason....
>
>
>
>
> --- In realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "erdely@xxxx" <erdely@xxxx>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Bob sampah2002@xxxx
> > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:49:48 -0500
> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [RT] A very funny website/virus
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <erdely@xxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] A very funny website/virus
> > >
> > >
> > > add my name back to the list, the infected computer has been
> replaced.
> > >
> >
> > After successfully trading these markets for over 40 years, the
> cost of the
> > computer is irrelevant.
> > > erdely@xxxx
> > > ederdely@xxxx
> > >
> >
> > A good, regularly update antivirus program is a LOT more cost
> effective
> > than replacing the computer . You can download a free one at
> > www.grisoft.com.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:50:18 -0500
> From: "Bob" <sampah2002@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: A very funny website/virus
>
> Maybe the cost to you of just buying a new computer
is "irrelevant".
> However what is the cost to others on the list of this new,
unprotected
> computer potentially spreading viruses again? Is that just as
> irrelevant? Do yourself and others a favor and get an antivirus
program
> and keep it updated
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <erdely@xxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] A very funny website/virus
>
>
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Bob sampah2002@xxxx
> > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:49:48 -0500
> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [RT] A very funny website/virus
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <erdely@xxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] A very funny website/virus
> > >
> > >
> > > add my name back to the list, the infected computer has been
> replaced.
> > >
> >
> > After successfully trading these markets for over 40 years, the
cost
> of the
> > computer is irrelevant.
> > > erdely@xxxx
> > > ederdely@xxxx
> > >
> >
> > A good, regularly update antivirus program is a LOT more cost
> effective
> > than replacing the computer . You can download a free one at
> > www.grisoft.com.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:10:51 -0500
> From: BobsKC <bobskc@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: Re: So when's the low?/BOTTOM?
>
> I did not and do not, doubt your honor and lack of adversity in
your
> original post.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> At 10:21 AM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Bob,
> > I did not comment or respond to your below email. After
thinking about i=
> >t I came to the conclusion that not to respond would not be
appropriate as =
> >it would not address the issue(s) that may have resulted in any
misundersta=
> >nding(s) from the exchange(s) between myself and Ben in the
emails that cul=
> >minated in your below comment. In addition by not doing so I
would be commi=
> >tting an act of omission( looking the other way ). Acts of
omissions have i=
> >n history proven as dangerous and many times even more dangerous
than acts =
> >of commission. As a result this response.
> > Ben and I have been friends and now each on personal basis
for over twen=
> >ty years.I first met Ben when I was a stockbroker with a major
NYC brokerag=
> >e firm.He was a client of another broker in that particular
office where he=
> >
> >
> >WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred.
> >The estimated size of this message is 229526 bytes.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:26:39 -0800
> From: "BobR" <bobrabcd@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: [MedianLine] Constant Range Bars and PF
>
> Attached are two NQH3 charts that might be of interest to some.
>
> The RangeTimeTickPF is a visual comparison of constant range
bars, time bars and tickbars( unchanged ticks not used) and point and
figure(0.5 X 3). In order to get the time bars and tick bars to not
be stopped out in Friday's decline using the Danton Stop for trend
comparison, the time bars had to be increased to 25 minutes per bar
and the tick bars had to be increased to 750 ticks per bar. The
constant range bars used 5 points per bar.
>
> The second chart compares a 750 tick bar with all ticks and 750
tick bar with only changed ticks. Note how the one on the right
without unchanged ticks did not have the whipsaws of the one with all
ticks. This works to advantage on moving average crossovers by
reducing the whipsaws in congestion periods.
>
> enjoy,
> bobr
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