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I should also add that I was not criticizing
either. And I have attempted to share ideas on both methods and the
trading of them on this forum and others. However since I don't use
squiggly lines or try to predict what the market is going to do my ideas are
generally pooh pooh'd on the premise that you can't trade using just price or
without predicting.
Or they discovered or knew that I offered a
service which then branded me as being one step above a child molester and the
ideas were then discredited on that premise. Part of a New Year's
resolution was to discontinue offering any kind of services so I'm not in
violation of any forum protocols here.
Trading for me has been a 3 step process - Learn
to see the trades.....Take the trades....Manage the trades, and each step is
progressively harder and much less cerebral. It's also been my experience
that the first step is by far the easiest since markets only have two modes -
trend and congestion, and within a trend there can be congestion periods which
are just continuation patterns. I have little interest in congestion
periods but absolutely love and thrive on trending periods (like today on the
indexes). But getting from step 1 to being proficient at step 3 is one
heck of a journey.
Bob
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Hill,
Ernie
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:'realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'">'realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:56
PM
Subject: RE: [RT] Ernie's System
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Perhaps if those of you who claim that making money in the markets is
so SIMPLE would merely enlighten those who are trying to "re-invent" the
wheel, as opposed to offering only criticism, then maybe you would have the
answer to your own question.
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One
who has no wheel must either walk or make his own.
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<FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Bobh
[mailto:BHEISLER@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:59
PMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [RT]
Ernie's System
That sounds good but the markets have been
moving the same way since there have been markets. If you look
at "bare" charts from 50+ years ago (any market) and compare them
to recent charts you couldn't tell them apart. The only
thing that changes is volatility/liquidity.
What never seems to change though
is the endless quest to make the simple complicated, along
with the failure to recognize the distinction between methods
& trading them.
B
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Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:17
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Subject: Re: [RT] Ernie's
System
<FONT
face=Verdana size=2>> Because it is what keeps things moving and
hopefully better. The wheel> will hopefully always get better
and be reinvented over and over. I am so> glad they are now
rubber. Maybe next will be, never go flat and almost last>
forever. Or another material that is softer but better than
rubber? The> flintstones are funny to watch but those
stone wheels probably don't ride to> good.> > -----
Original Message -----> From: "ira" <<A
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To: <<FONT
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size=2>>> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:24 PM> Subject:
Re: [RT] Ernie's System> > > > why does everyone
want to reinvent the wheel?> > ----- Original Message
-----> > From: "John Cappello" <<A
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To: <<FONT
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size=2>>> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:42 AM>
> Subject: [RT] Ernie's System> >> >> >
> Dear Ernie,> > >> > > I never consider these
"show-offs" but rather sharing successes and> > > or failures.
I hope it walks forward for you. I can not tell you the> > >
number of times I have had faulty walk forwards.> > >>
> > I once thought that I had the ultimate. Backtested and trained on
4> > > years of back data where it was quite profitable...and a
flop in the> > > walk forward...even the logic still seems
sound.> > >> > > I have recently taken a different
approach and trained a system on 3> > > years back data and
then successfully saw it perform on the year> > > prior with
success. Now it is walking forward and we shall see.> >
>> > > Such are the vagaries of system development
especially with the S&P.> > >> > >
John> > >> > >> > >> > >
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Originally From: Ernie Bonugli <<A
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> > Subject: Re: [RT] I-Master Mechanical Trading System 2002 S&P
500> > > Date: 01/05/2003 12:45pm> > >>
> >> > > list,> > >> > > Let me
show off the private system that I am working on? I could not>
> > resist. Time will tell whether the logic its may be curve>
> > fitted to the data?!> > >> > >>
> > Regards,> > > Ernie> > > <A
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