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Why don't you put a can to it. Five years down the road, I CANNOT see you
as a human being who treats thing in an objective and impartial manner. If
you are still working for Macquarie Bank, why don't you just show us some of
your techniques and analysis. I am not asking you to prove anything. The
bloody objective here is to share and to discard of things that cannot be
incorporated into your 'systems'. Five years down the road, still a lot of
hot air without any substance. Five years down the road, I still don't know
anything about your methodologies. Jesus.....
Jeff Harteam
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Pitt [mailto:apitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:05 PM
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
David,
Of course you find my tone irritating....it only proves my point. And
so did the
JPg's you posted. You proved it exactly....thank god for people like
you, because its people
Like me who remain open minded and capable of learning from others that
enables me fill my bank account from yours :-)
Adrian
PS The book is available if you want. You've only proven to me your
too stubborn and egotistical to admit your wrong. Hmmm...what do they
say about accepting ones losses quickly? :-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Jennings [mailto:davidjennings@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 10:44 PM
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
>
>
> I find your tone irritating however, see the attached!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Pitt" <apitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
>
>
> > David,
> >
> > It's a shame, but you should almost never believe what
> someone tells
> > you unless you can confirm it for yourself or they can
> define on what
> > basis they make their statement.
> >
> > The first place I looked for the book....AMAZON...and where
> else would
> > you go as a first guess?..its says its ships in 8-14
> days...no mention
> > of being out of print or out of stock. There are also
> copies second
> > hand.
> >
> > I hope you research your trades better :-)
> >
> > Adrian
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Jennings [mailto:davidjennings@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 8:28 PM
> > > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of print I'm told. Looks like I'll have to stick to Miner.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Adrian Pitt" <apitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:18 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > >
> > >
> > > > Earl,
> > > >
> > > > Miners work is good, but his EW is fairly simplistic, but
> > > he does put
> > > > it into a form that can be used by traders. If anyone
> > > truly wants to
> > > > understand markets better and apply Elliott Wave in a far more
> > > > accurate and scientific way there is ONLY ONE SOURCE of good
> > > > information. and that's Glen Neely's book. I STRONGLY WARN
> > > > readers though not to bother With it unless EWT really
> takes your
> > > > interest. It's a big book and EVERY PAGE
> > > > has critical information on it, so lots of learning and
> > > practicing. But
> > > > it
> > > > works, impeccably. Its not a book about trading though,
> > > only accurate
> > > > wave
> > > > reading.
> > > >
> > > > Adrian
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Earl Adamy [mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 1:46 AM
> > > > > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you make two valid points: know how to do the counts
> > > > > yourself and be able to control/apply your own counts
> > > when you don't
> > > > > like the automated counts. I highly recommend the
> simplified EW
> > > > > approach used by Robert Miner in his Dynamic Trader book
> > > ($100 with
> > > > > full money back guarantee at
> > > > > www.dynamictraders.com) ... I don't use the DT3 software. I'm
> > > > > not familiar with EW3 (I did have WinWaves and didn't
> care for
> > > > > it), however AGet which I use, allows one to control counts to
> > > a limited
> > > > > degree (short term, aggressive, regular, long term, plus
> > > localize)
> > > > > ... as a last resort I just turn the EW counts off and
> > > apply my own
> > > > > labels.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earl
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "wavemechanic" <wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:28 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Karen Beckwith
> > > > > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:16 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff:
> > > > > Looking for a holy grail? Have u ever looked into the EW3
> > > > > (Elliott Wave)
> > > > > software? I can't find anyone who uses it, but it
> > > sounds awfully
> > > > > good.
> > > > > Anyone here familiar w/ EW3?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not used EWII but did use the previous version
> > > > > WinWaves, and EWII is supposed to have a better
> analysis engine.
> > > However, a
> > > > > couple of thoughts. What is the correct count?
> There are many
> > > > > counts and in the last analysis the only one that is
> > > right is yours.
> > > > > So being able to do your own count is important, and the
> > > software is
> > > > > a tool to increase your efficiency and, perhaps, help
> you over
> > > > > the rough spots. Having said that, one important
> feature that I
> > > > > would be sure to have is the ability to input my
> count and see
> > > > > how it plays. Most EW programs do not have this
> option, but if
> > > > > I recall correctly ELWave does. FWIW.
> > > > >
> > > > > best wishes,
> > > > > karen
> > > > > ps - May the force be with you.
> > > > > :>)
> > > > > :>)
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:50 AM
> > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "If one tries to fight these forces they will be
> > > destroyed. If one
> > > > > > can unite and redirect these forces to
> > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress
> quite swiftly."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sounds like a re-run of Kung Fu.
> > > > > > Grasshopper, my son, be of unity with the universe.
> > > > > > Now catch this fly in my soup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please enlighten me, how does one unite and
> redirect these
> > > > > forces to
> > > > > > ones advantage?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do I redirect a drought in the midwest,
> terrorist attack
> > > > > crashing
> > > > > > the S & P , lumber import regulations vs.
> canadian exports?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fundamentals, schmundamentals, blah, blah.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have the force, the unity, the polarity...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Beam me up Scotty, for I have discovered how markets
> > > > > > work, yet I waste my time trolling for fish.
> > > > > > Why is that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Norman Winski"
> <nwinski@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > Reinar,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From one sailor to another, when one's sailboat hits
> > > > > a sand bar,
> > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > called running a ground and that's not a good thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know it's time for me to take a vacation.
> Your sailing
> > > > > metaphor
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > starting to make sense to me.<G> Seriously, I
> agree that
> > > > > sailing
> > > > > > is a good
> > > > > > > analogy for trading, but not for the reasons you
> > > have stated. I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > sailing is a good analogy for trading because
> in order to be
> > > > > > successful, one
> > > > > > > must join with the huge natural forces at work. If
> > > one tries to
> > > > > > fight these
> > > > > > > forces they will be destroyed. If one can unite and
> > > redirect
> > > > > these
> > > > > > forces to
> > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress
> > > quite swiftly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gann fans - the ideal position to attain maximum
> > > speed is to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > the sail
> > > > > > > at a 45 degree angle to the wind.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nautically,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "reinar2020" <reinar2020@xxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:33 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] forecasting-track record
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Elk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not only will I continue to use sailing as a
> > > metaphor but I
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > expand the use. There are several reasons.
> Selling to "the
> > > > > > traders"
> > > > > > > > market is too limiting and more imortant.... If
> > > you can think
> > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > sailor you can think like a profitable trader......
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have ever been sailing you would know that
> > > it is kind
> > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > zen like experience where you have a very specific
> > > > > focus. All the
> > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > that is provided by the media etc is gone.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There are other advantages. Any monkey can draw
> > > an Andrews
> > > > > line
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > if you read his totally incomplete "free" 60 page
> > > lit.... at
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > time there are at least 20 or so that come in
> > > tomorrow. So
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > ones do you use? Rather than take the standard
> > > approach of
> > > > > here
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > the lines .....let get overwhelmed with stuff that is
> > > > > useless.....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I will focus upon about 3 kinds of sand bars
> and a marker.
> > > > > > > > I did something similar in Vienna seminars and the
> > > > > sucess rate of
> > > > > > > > the students over a long time period was very high.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Focus upon the chicken ( the end result.. you
> > > really want )
> > > > > not on
> > > > > > > > the eggs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We look for 4 things...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1) sand bars (support and resistance lines)
> where prices
> > > > > stop for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > bar or 2 and then go through
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2) sand bars where prices go through and then go
> > > back to it to
> > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > it before continuing in the proper direction
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (the above are very handy for adding on positions
> > > or getting
> > > > > in
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > definable risk....the other side of the sand bar line)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3) and finally sand bars that are likely to produce a
> > > > > tradeable
> > > > > > > > pivot ....like i pointed out on thursday in an
> > > email I sent
> > > > > out.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4) and then how to find markers (probable future
> > > pivot points)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now instead of learning how to draw all of those
> > > silly lines
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > learned how to draw lines that produced the above
> > > > > .......wouldn't
> > > > > > > > Andrews really work .....and very easily at that?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh by the way did you ever learn what the Andrews
> > > "ROS" line
> > > > > was?
> > > > > > > > Hint....its a sand bar.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > R
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, Infernal Elk
> <infernalelk@xxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> John either you are blind or you faded
> the forecast.
> > > > > > > > > >> ...or does north mean go short to you?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> R
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > maybe if you spoke in market terms rather
> than cryptic
> > > > > pseudo-
> > > > > > > > poetic
> > > > > > > > > "nautical" terms, people would understand you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > if your desire is to communicate, then do so
> > > CLEARLY. if
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > > desire
> > > > > > > > > is to tease and to draw people in to buy
> your product
> > > > > you'll do
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > to speak clearly as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > we're not sailors. we're traders.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - *lk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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