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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Kent,
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Your
wrong. His advice was extremely damaging. Who is he to say to a
person not to go
down
this path of learning because even though others claim it works, I can't, so
therefore you wont
be
able to either. That is extremely biased, extremely narrow minded,
extremely ignorant and extremely
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>naive. We all see things differently, and every single trader has
to do the full circle of learning before they
can
feel comfortable with the way they trade. To circumvent that learning
process only leads them down
the
path of eventual ruin.
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<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Kent Rollins
[mailto:kentr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 2:02
AMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [RT] Re:
forecasting-track record
I thought that advice was extremely helpful. He
potentially saved this woman (not the Mary woman, the Karen woman) many wasted
years of learning to count waves only to find out they don't work. Not
to mention the thousands of $'s spent on software.
And you know, that analogy about rusty water stains on the
wall was a good one. But I guess you were seeing too much red by that
time to see the message. Of course, computers can be programmed to see
things that aren't there, too. EW3 is probably a good
example.
Fortunately, no one has programmed a computer to be offended
when someone makes a harmless religious reference. Next thing you know,
they'll be programming them to get offended when someone doesn't make the
correct religious reference. Face-It.
Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: <A
title=Duke.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:Duke.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Duke Jones - Portfolio
Manager
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Jeff,
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I am a
lurker on the board and I have resisted the temptation to fire back a response
after a couple of your emails but this last one with the reference to “that
Mary woman” was enough.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">First,
lets leave personal issues aside from the list as some of us find this
extremely offensive. Secondly, most on the board attempt to offer something
constructive. I am not saying all are good and do not warrant criticism or
challenge but in your case you do nothing to further the discussion other than
launch a few over used statistical phrases and satirical remarks.
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<FONT face=Arial color=navy
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Lets
face it…to have a truly in statistically significant system the number of
observations required would be a couple of lifetimes. I personally don’t care
to wait that long so I play the best odds my systems will give.
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<FONT face=Arial color=navy
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Last,
if I wanted to read or listen to another talking head I would just flip on
CNBC. Either offer something constructive or leave us
alone.
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Message-----From:
jeff97_98_1998 [mailto:jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx]<SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:35
AMTo:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track
record
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Karen,<FONT
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don't believe in Elliott Wave,BUT I do use a lotta Gerri
Curl.Put 20 Elliott Believers in a room,give
them the same chart, and you will get20 different wave counts.
Kinda like a Rorschach Ink Blot Test.Can also
throw in a rusty water stain on a chruch wall,resembling that
"Mary" woman.The mind is a terrible thing to
trust.regards,jeff---
In realtraders@xxxx, "Karen Beckwith" <hoticetea@xxxx>
wrote:> Jeff:> Looking for a holy grail?
Have u ever looked into the EW3 (Elliott Wave)>
software? I can't find anyone who uses it, but it sounds awfully
good.> Anyone here familiar w/
EW3?> best wishes,> karen> ps
- May the force be with you.> :>)>
:>)> > ----- Original Message
-----> From: "jeff97_98_1998"
<jprroth@xxxx>> To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:50
AM> Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track
record> > >
>> > "If one tries to fight these forces they will be
destroyed. If one> > can unite and redirect these forces
to> > ones advantage, one should be able to progress quite
swiftly."> >> >> >
Sounds like a re-run of Kung Fu.> > Grasshopper, my son, be
of unity with the universe.> > Now catch this fly in my
soup.> >> > Please enlighten me, how
does one unite and redirect these forces to> >
ones advantage?> >> > How do I redirect
a drought in the midwest, terrorist attack
crashing> > the S & P , lumber import
regulations vs. canadian exports?> >> >
Fundamentals, schmundamentals, blah, blah.>
>> > I have the force, the unity, the
polarity...> >> > Beam me up
Scotty, for I have discovered how markets> >
work, yet I waste my time trolling for fish.> > Why
is that?> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > --- In realtraders@xxxx,
"Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxx> wrote:> > >
Reinar,> > >> > > From
one sailor to another, when one's sailboat hits a sand
bar,> > that's> > >
called running a ground and that's not a good thing.> >
>> > > I know it's time for me to take a
vacation. Your sailing metaphor> >
is> > > starting to make sense to me.<G>
Seriously, I agree that sailing> > is a
good> > > analogy for trading, but not for the reasons
you have stated. I> > think> > >
sailing is a good analogy for trading because in order to be>
> successful, one> > > must join with the huge
natural forces at work. If one tries to> > fight
these> > > forces they will be destroyed. If one can
unite and redirect these> > forces
to> > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress
quite swiftly.> > >> > >
Gann fans - the ideal position to attain maximum speed is to
have> > the sail> > > at
a 45 degree angle to the wind.> > >>
> > Nautically,> > >> > >
Norman> > >> > >>
> >> > > ----- Original Message
-----> > > From: "reinar2020"
<reinar2020@xxxx>> > > To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 07,
2002 12:33 AM> > > Subject: Re: [RT] forecasting-track
record> > >> > >>
> > > Elk> > > >> > >
> Not only will I continue to use sailing as a metaphor but I
will> > > > expand the use. There are
several reasons. Selling to "the> >
traders"> > > > market is too limiting and more
imortant.... If you can think> > like a>
> > > sailor you can think like a profitable
trader......> > > >> > >
>> > > > If you have ever been sailing you would
know that it is kind of a> > > > zen
like experience where you have a very specific focus. All
the> > BS> > > > that
is provided by the media etc is gone.> > >
>> > > > There are other advantages. Any monkey
can draw an Andrews line> >
and> > > > if you read his totally incomplete "free"
60 page lit.... at any> > > > time there
are at least 20 or so that come in tomorrow. So
which> > > > ones do you use? Rather
than take the standard approach of here> >
are> > > > the lines .....let get overwhelmed with
stuff that is useless.....> > >
>> > > > I will focus upon about 3 kinds of sand
bars and a marker.> > > > I did something similar in
Vienna seminars and the sucess rate of> > >
> the students over a long time period was very high.> >
> >> > > > Focus upon the chicken ( the end
result.. you really want ) not on> > > >
the eggs.> > > >> > > > We
look for 4 things...> > > >> >
> > 1) sand bars (support and resistance lines) where prices stop
for> > a> > > > bar
or 2 and then go through> > > >> >
> > 2) sand bars where prices go through and then go back to it
to> > touch> > > > it before
continuing in the proper direction> > >
>> > > > (the above are very handy for adding on
positions or getting in> >
with> > > > definable risk....the other side of the
sand bar line)> > > >> > > >
3) and finally sand bars that are likely to produce a
tradeable> > > > pivot ....like i
pointed out on thursday in an email I sent out.>
> > >> > > > 4) and then how to find markers
(probable future pivot points)> > >
>> > > > Now instead of learning how to draw all
of those silly lines you> > > > learned
how to draw lines that produced the above
.......wouldn't> > > > Andrews really work .....and
very easily at that?> > > >> >
> > Oh by the way did you ever learn what the Andrews "ROS" line
was?> > > > Hint....its a sand
bar.> > > >> > >
>> > > > Regards> > > >
R> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > --- In
realtraders@xxxx, Infernal Elk <infernalelk@xxxx>
wrote:> > > > >> >
> > > >> John either you are blind or you faded the
forecast.> > > > > >> ...or does north
mean go short to you?> > > > >>
> > > > >> R> > > >
>> > > > > maybe if you spoke in market terms
rather than cryptic pseudo-> > > >
poetic> > > > > "nautical" terms, people would
understand you.> > > > >> >
> > > if your desire is to communicate, then do so CLEARLY. if
your> > > > desire> >
> > > is to tease and to draw people in to buy your product
you'll do> > > > better>
> > > > to speak clearly as well.> > > >
>> > > > > we're not sailors. we're
traders.> > > > >> > > >
> - *lk> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > To
unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> > > >
realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxx> > > >>
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