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If you are right then 31-32 will be in the
cards for the qqq
(see Gary fritz charts
nice week end
Ben
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Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:34 PM
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Ben,
Thats pretty interesting that you think that way as most people
do!Its good that sentiment is so heavily bearish - makes for better
short squeezes!
What you need to realise is the herd mentality of the US
people getting worked up about
attacks on 4th of July and its all becuase of the mono minded US
media.
Sell the rumour and buy the fact is what the market is doing.
Over here we heard of one report that 8 Afghams hopped on board a
tanker and were coming to LA
to attack it. Now when I was in LA most people had more guns
in their Kitchen drawer than these poor tea towel heads would have on
the whole ship. Let alone when you get in the car with an LA
Cabbie!
As Paul Hogan would say "you call that a gun"!
I think you will find that the sentiment has changed at least for a
month or two.
Warmest
Regards
David
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:47:48
-0400From: profitok <<A title=mailto:profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";><FONT
color=#0000ff>profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Noticethis IS a short covering rallyPlease
use to re enter your shortsBen > with the 21/21
intersection? If coming from below, price has clawed> > it's
way back up from being totally in a down fan. It now has> >
the "chance" to stay above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .>
> feigning strength? Look at the chart, but here's what it looks
like> > ><. On the exit side price can a. stay above the
21ang_up, b. drop> > below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down
between the 2 angles in an> > expanding triangle. If #3
occurrs, during this consolidation major> > money takes its
position for the next move. I try to take my cues> > from
where stocks are positioned relative to the cycle T/P targets.>
> And in most cases the extremes may have already been hit and
reversed> > off of prior to this consolidation, should it
occur. FWIW> >> > GT'> >> >
Dox> >> > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > >> > > I
think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >> >
> Geometrical version of Time & Price.> > >>
> > GT'> > >> > > Dox> >
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6Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:25:11 -0000From: "jeff97_98_1998"
<<A
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Re: Induvery nice record on your stock selections.thanks for
the info, and a performance report.i appreciate the clear and
accurate reporting.regards,jeff--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Steve Karnish"
<kernish@xxxx> wrote:> Dear jeff97_98_1998,>
we MAY make it to 1000 intra day highbut DOUBT we will close
there----- Original Message -----From: "Don Ewers" <<A
href="mailto:dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 12:19 PMSubject: Re: [RT] Re: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> I would agree Ben. Hard to say just where it ends
but we are "almost"back> up to the center median line which
has been resistance in the past.> don ewers>> -----
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Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:47 AM> Subject: [RT] Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice>>> > this IS a short
covering rally> > Please use to re enter your shorts>
> Ben> > ----- Original Message -----> > From:
"doxholidaze" <<A
href="mailto:doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx";>doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>>
> To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> > Subject:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice> >> >> > > So
what happens when a intersection target is achieved.
Particularly> > > with the 21/21 intersection? If coming
from below, price has clawed> > > it's way back up from
being totally in a down fan. It now has> > > the "chance"
to stay above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .> > >
feigning strength? Look at the chart, but here's what it looks
like> > > ><. On the exit side price can a. stay
above the 21ang_up, b. drop> > > below the 21ang_dn, 3.
move up/down between the 2 angles in an> > > expanding
triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this consolidation major> >
> money takes its position for the next move. I try to take my
cues> > > from where stocks are positioned relative to the
cycle T/P targets.> > > And in most cases the extremes may
have already been hit and reversed> > > off of prior to
this consolidation, should it occur. FWIW> > >> >
> GT'> > >> > > Dox> >
>> > > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > > >> > >
> I think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >
>> > > > Geometrical version of Time &
Price.> > > >> > > > GT'> >
> >> > > > Dox> > > >> >
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8Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:44:09 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
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forecasting-track recordHi,For $5 a month or less you guys
can forecast with honor. At wbws.net they will get you a web site
where you can post your forecasts and show over time how well they
work. We are doing it and it works well.Last week we were off once
and boy did Earl give it to
us.:')R--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, profitok
<profitok@xxxx> wrote:> this IS a short covering
rally> Please use to re enter your shorts> Ben>
----- Original Message -----> From: "doxholidaze"
<doxholidaze@xxxx>> To: <gannsghost@xxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> Subject: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> > > > So what happens when a
intersection target is achieved. Particularly> > with the
21/21 intersection? If coming from below, price has clawed>
> it's way back up from being totally in a down fan. It now
has> > the "chance" to stay above the up sloping 21 degree
angle . . .> > feigning strength? Look at the chart, but
here's what it looks like> > ><. On the exit side
price can a. stay above the 21ang_up, b. drop> > below the
21ang_dn, 3. move up/down between the 2 angles in an> >
expanding triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this consolidation
major> > money takes its position for the next move. I try
to take my cues> > from where stocks are positioned relative
to the cycle T/P targets.> > And in most cases the
extremes may have already been hit and reversed> > off of
prior to this consolidation, should it occur. FWIW> >>
> GT'> >> > Dox> >> > --- In
gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > >> > > I
think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >> >
> Geometrical version of Time & Price.> > >>
> > GT'> > >> > > Dox> >
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9Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:44:14 -0500From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Re: [gannsghost] Re: NoticeThe attached is not the ultimate
but it tends to support youridea Ben.This has been adjusted
from earlier one to include anamplitude of the longer wave that
seems to incorporatecurrent prices better.Clyde- - -
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<<A
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Friday, July 05, 2002 11:37 AMSubject: Re: [RT] Re: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> we MAY make it to 1000 intra day high> but
DOUBT we will close there> ----- Original Message ----->
From: "Don Ewers" <<A
href="mailto:dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:19 PM> Subject: Re: [RT] Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice>>> > I would agree Ben.
Hard to say just where it ends but we are "almost"> back>
> up to the center median line which has been resistance in the
past.> > don ewers> >> > ----- Original
Message -----> > From: "profitok" <<A
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> To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Cc: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:47 AM> > Subject: [RT] Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice> >> >> > > this
IS a short covering rally> > > Please use to re enter your
shorts> > > Ben> > > ----- Original Message
-----> > > From: "doxholidaze" <<A
href="mailto:doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx";>doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> > >
Subject: [gannsghost] Re: Notice> > >> >
>> > > > So what happens when a intersection target
is achieved. Particularly> > > > with the 21/21
intersection? If coming from below, price has clawed> > >
> it's way back up from being totally in a down fan. It now
has> > > > the "chance" to stay above the up sloping 21
degree angle . . .> > > > feigning strength? Look at the
chart, but here's what it looks like> > > > ><. On
the exit side price can a. stay above the 21ang_up, b. drop> >
> > below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down between the 2 angles in
an> > > > expanding triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this
consolidation major> > > > money takes its position for
the next move. I try to take my cues> > > > from where
stocks are positioned relative to the cycle T/P targets.> >
> > And in most cases the extremes may have already been hit
andreversed> > > > off of prior to this
consolidation, should it occur. FWIW> > > >> >
> > GT'> > > >> > > > Dox>
> > >> > > > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > > > >> >
> > > I think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> >
> > >> > > > > Geometrical version of Time
& Price.> > > > >> > > > >
GT'> > > > >> > > > > Dox>
> > > >> > > > >> > > >
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10Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:25:33 -0600From: "Earl Adamy" <<A
href="mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx";>eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: forecasting-track recordJust for the record, Mr. Spammer
(AKA Ron Jaenisch), I could care lesswhether you are right or wrong.
I do my own work for my own trades and don'tput much stock in
other's forecasts. Further, I pretty much ignore forecastswhen no
written or visual explanation is provided to support the
forecastsi.e. "black box" forecasts. It was your constant spamming
of several YGlists to which I subscribe which drew my attention to
your forecasts andwhich elicited my strong comments ... even more so
because you only botheredto spam the lists when your forecast was
correct.Earl----- Original Message -----From:
"reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 10:44 AMSubject: [RT] forecasting-track
record> Hi,> For $5 a month or less you guys can
forecast with honor. At wbws.net> they will get you a web site
where you can post your forecasts and> show over time how well
they work. We are doing it and it works well.> Last week we were
off once and boy did Earl give it to us.>>
:')>>
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11Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:13:26 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: forecasting-track recordThanks Earl for saying that my
forecasts were accurate"even more so because you only botheredto
spam the lists when your forecast was correct"R---
In realtraders@xxxx, "Earl Adamy"
<eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> Just for the record, Mr. Spammer (AKA
Ron Jaenisch), I could care less> whether you are right or
wrong. I do my own work for my own trades and don't> put much
stock in other's forecasts. Further, I pretty much ignore
forecasts> when no written or visual explanation is provided
to support the forecasts> i.e. "black box" forecasts. It was
your constant spamming of several YG> lists to which I
subscribe which drew my attention to your forecasts and>
which elicited my strong comments ... even more so because you only
bothered> to spam the lists when your forecast was
correct.> > Earl> > ----- Original Message
-----> From: "reinar2020" <reinar2020@xxxx>> To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:44
AM> Subject: [RT] forecasting-track record> >
> > Hi,> > For $5 a month or less you guys can
forecast with honor. At wbws.net> > they will get you a
web site where you can post your forecasts and> > show
over time how well they work. We are doing it and it works
well.> > Last week we were off once and boy did Earl give
it to us.> >> > :')> >> >
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12Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:17:12 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Nigerian ScamsThese guys want your bank account numbers so they
can withdraw $$ from them. They are rather talented and best
ignored.R--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "ira"
<irat@xxxx> wrote:> It seems that they caught everyone on
this list with the Nigeria million dollar swindle. > -----
Original Message ----- > From: Jeffrey Harteam > To:
realtraders@xxxx > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:39 PM>
Subject: RE: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail sources)> >
> Norman:> > > > The best thing to do
is to just ignore these mails. They are definitely butch of crooks.
I am sure you saw this was being televised on "60-Minutes" few years
ago. I also happen to receive just once this mail from Nigeria. I
just deleted it. Don't even think of leaving the US just for this
kind of BS. "60-Minutes" reported that people did what they ask for,
i.e. going abroad and meet them and ended up loosing their lives. My
impression: People kill for money in Nigeria. Simple as that!
Regarding the IP address you are inquiring. Bill has provided a very
handy tool in tracking down the source of the spammer. Not
necessarily you will be able to get the name & address of this
person. But the "engine" is good for tracking down his/her IP
provider(s). That should do to make lives harder for the spammers if
YOUR ISP, most are willing, is willing to block this guy. I have got
a lot of 'craps' from Taiwan and I ran his IP address on it, this
time the "engine" provided his name, address of the company and
email address. Report to YOUR IPS with all these info and they will
block. Repeat the same procedure if they change ISP. This is the way
to fight spammers. On the "engine" page, you see a few icons below,
one is called "spamcop", I used this one as well for reporting.
Being in the US, I would tend to think they will be more responsive
to your reporting. Hope this helps. > > >
> Have a good one> > Jeff Harteam> >
Hong Kong> > > > -----Original
Message-----> From: Norman Winski [mailto:nwinski@xxxx]>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:16 AM> To:
realtraders@xxxx> Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail
sources)> > > > Bill,> >
> > Thanks for the internet help. I noticed that on the
scam spam, it may say it came from "mindspring" but when you put the
address numbers in the search engine you provided, the answer can be
totally different. Have you gotten the one about the $35 million
frozen in an account in Nigeria and they want you to be their
partner to help get the money to the US? > > I got
three different ones like this in the past three weeks. One scam
artists said his boss had died with $25 mil. frozen and he wanted me
to show up and say I was a relative. These people are based in
Nigeria. What are the chances I would even remotely look like
someone who could possibly be related to this guy? More likely, it's
a scam to kidnap for ransom stupid US citizens. One scamster wanted
me to fly to The Netherlands to meet his lawyer - courier. When I
said I wasn't leaving the US, he could wire the money, he lost
interest. I offered to manage a small amount for him as a trial, but
he hasn't gotten back to me. Gee, I wonder why? > >
> > Cheers,> > Norman> >
> > > > > > ----- Original
Message ----- > > > From: wavemechanic >
> To: realtraders@xxxx > > Sent: Thursday, July 04,
2002 9:49 PM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking
e-mail sources)> > > > Norm:>
> > > There is some information under Spam Primer
at the bottom of the page. Basically, one has to get the ISP address
(format is xxx.yyy.zzz.qqq, but not always in groups of 3). You will
find them by clicking on the header of the message and then
FILE|PROPERTIES\DETAIL. Then one puts those numbers into the IP
Whois box and up pops the information about the ISP. One wants the
originating ISP, but when in doubt I checkout all of the ISP
addresses. Then send the complaint either to <A
href="mailto:abuse@xxxx/net";>abuse@xxxx/net (send to all if not
sure which is originating), or what I do is send everything to <A
href="mailto:ISP.com/net@x";>ISP.com/net@x... abuse.net is a spam
fighting outfit that will forward the information to the proper
party. A copy should also be sent to the FTC. The message that is
forwarded by you is the one that you receive plus a copy of the full
Detail page from the property box. I find that the majority come
from China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, and eastern Europe, and perhaps 3/4
of the ISPs do nothing, but some are very aggressive. You can get
more information from the anti-spam webpages, including: <A
href="http://www.abuse.net/";>http://www.abuse.net/ and <A
href="http://www.abuse.net/";>http://www.abuse.net/.> >
> > Bill > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Norman Winski > > To:
realtraders@xxxx > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:29
PM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail
sources)> > > > Bill,> >
> > Could you please further explain your internet lingo
below? Which are the different fields etc? Perhaps you could explain
how to read those numbers? > > > >
Thanks,> > Norman> > ----- Original Message
----- > > > From: wavemechanic > >
To: realtraders@xxxx > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002
1:39 PM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail
sources)> > > > Adam:> >
> > Here is a freebie that works quite well. Just pick up
the 4 field number from the property listing for the address field,
plug it in and it will tell all:> > > >
http://combat.uxn.com/>
> > > Bill> > > > ---
Original Message ----- > > > From: Adam Hefner
> > To: realtraders@xxxx > > Sent: Thursday,
July 04, 2002 10:14 AM> > Subject: [RT] Off Topic
(Tracking e-mail sources)> > > > Is there a
way to track the source of e-mails? I believe I may be targeted by
an individual sending me a virus and inserting a bogus return
address and / or sender.> > This has happened many times
and the last two return address is from "clydelee
<clydelee@xxxx>" and "ted <ted@xxxx>" but many have been
non deliverable addresses. I have the complete tracking details of
some of these attacks, but am unsure how to read them.> >
Any help will be appreciated,> > Adam> >
> > > > > > > >
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13Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:27:32 EDTFrom: <A
href="mailto:CRLeBeau@xxxxxxx";>CRLeBeau@xxxxxxxSubject: Re: What
happened to the Hurst cycle?In a message dated 7/4/02 3:27:33 PM
Pacific Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
writes:> > M,> > Which LW big
winnings are you referring? Is this the how I made a million>
being long in one account and short in the other and only reporting
the> winning trades episode? The NFA found this so hilarious they
gave him a > life> time vacation.> >
Cheers,> > Norman> Norman, What you are
saying about LW is not true. He did make the million and it was not
from any manipulation of accounts etc. The NFA has never accused him
of not making these profits. His problems with the NFA were on other
issues.Chuck LeBeau[This message contained
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14Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:39:15 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
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reference wantedI recently ran across Bob Ryburn living
on Bernard St, San Benito, TX He is selling a product called
Dragonslayer and exchange trader.Does anyone have experience in
dealing with him?ThanksRReinar @ techie .com
--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, CRLeBeau@xxxx
wrote:> In a message dated 7/4/02 3:27:33 PM Pacific Daylight
Time, > nwinski@xxxx writes:> > > >
> > M,> > > > Which LW big winnings are
you referring? Is this the how I made a million> > being
long in one account and short in the other and only reporting
the> > winning trades episode? The NFA found this so hilarious
they gave him a > > life> > time
vacation.> > > > Cheers,> > > >
Norman> > > > Norman, What you are saying about
LW is not true. He did make the million > and it was not from
any manipulation of accounts etc. The NFA has never > accused
him of not making these profits. His problems with the NFA were on
> other issues.> > Chuck
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15Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:27:40 -0500From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE: What happened to the Hurst
cycle?This subject is very interesting to me.I just
completed a "system" for Tradestation which allows me to specifythe
time and date at which a transaction is to take place and then
usingthe internal capabilities of TS compile statistics about such
trades.This discussion provided an opportunity to exercise this
system and toget a measure of what the discussion was
about.I ran 5 simulations in which the pivots were picked using
my LengthOfSwingindicator with detection lengths of 5, 8, 13, 21,
and 34 bar lengths.At each of these pivots TS was instructed to
buy or sell at the close of thepivot day and statistics
gathered.Here is what I found.Detection Total Total
TradeLength $Profit #Trades AvgLength5 $53.26 111 58
$47.45 79 713 $43.53 55 1121 $34.12 33 1834 $21.06 16
35Not much doubt that if you can trade perfectly then the
shorter thelength of the trade the more money you make over the same
period.The above is WITHOUT COMPOUNDING. If compounding
wereallowed then the difference is staggering.A look at the
attached graphics will add more information and a betterfeel for the
trades that were used.Clyde- - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Friday, July 05, 2002 9:41 AMSubject: Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE:
[RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?> I don't look at
average holding times. It strictly depends upon which set> of
time frames that I am trading. This morning I would have been in
at967> and out at 980 and the trade would have been for about
1/2 an hour. I> usually wouldn't trade the first or last 1/2
hour, but this trade wasclear[This message contained
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16Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:46:51 -0400From: "Norman Winski"
<<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Re: [gannsghost] Re: Notice----- Original Message
-----From: "profitok" <<A
href="mailto:profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 11:47 AMSubject: [RT] Re: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> this IS a short covering rally> Please use
to re enter your shorts> Ben,So Ben, if you get out of
your shorts, are you in a bare market?
<G>Cheers,Norman> ----- Original
Message -----> From: "doxholidaze" <<A
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To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> Subject: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice>>> > So what happens when a intersection
target is achieved. Particularly> > with the 21/21
intersection? If coming from below, price has clawed> > it's
way back up from being totally in a down fan. It now has> >
the "chance" to stay above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .>
> feigning strength? Look at the chart, but here's what it looks
like> > ><. On the exit side price can a. stay above the
21ang_up, b. drop> > below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down
between the 2 angles in an> > expanding triangle. If #3
occurrs, during this consolidation major> > money takes its
position for the next move. I try to take my cues> > from
where stocks are positioned relative to the cycle T/P targets.>
> And in most cases the extremes may have already been hit and
reversed> > off of prior to this consolidation, should it
occur. FWIW> >> > GT'> >> >
Dox> >> > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > >> > > I
think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >> >
> Geometrical version of Time & Price.> > >>
> > GT'> > >> > > Dox> >
>> > >> > >> > >
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17Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 17:50:48 -0400From: Daniel Goncharoff
<<A
href="mailto:thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx";>thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Re: [gannsghost] Re: NoticeMaybe it's a 'belt and braces'
thing...RegardsDanGNorman Winski wrote:>
> So Ben, if you get out of your shorts, are you in a bare
market? <G>> > Cheers,> >
Norman> > > ----- Original Message -----> >
From: "doxholidaze" <<A
href="mailto:doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx";>doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>>
> To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> > Subject:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice> >> >> > > So
what happens when a intersection target is achieved.
Particularly> > > with the 21/21 intersection? If coming
from below, price has clawed> > > it's way back up from
being totally in a down fan. It now has> > > the "chance"
to stay above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .> > >
feigning strength? Look at the chart, but here's what it looks
like> > > ><. On the exit side price can a. stay
above the 21ang_up, b. drop> > > below the 21ang_dn, 3.
move up/down between the 2 angles in an> > > expanding
triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this consolidation major> >
> money takes its position for the next move. I try to take my
cues> > > from where stocks are positioned relative to the
cycle T/P targets.> > > And in most cases the extremes may
have already been hit and reversed> > > off of prior to
this consolidation, should it occur. FWIW> > >> >
> GT'> > >> > > Dox> >
>> > > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > > >> > >
> I think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >
>> > > > Geometrical version of Time &
Price.> > > >> > > > GT'> >
> >> > > > Dox> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > >
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18Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:51:06 -0400From: "Norman Winski"
<<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Indu----- Original Message -----From: "Steve
Karnish" <<A
href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 11:50 AMSubject: Re: [RT] Indu>
Dear jeff97_98_1998,>> "Qui non intellegit, aut taceat aut
discat".> Steve Karnish,Does that include dessert?
<G>Merci,Normand, CTA> Cedar
Creek Trading> <A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>www.cedarcreektrading.com>
1-877-668-1125> ----- Original Message -> ---->
From: jeff97_98_1998 <<A
href="mailto:jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx";>jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:13 AM> Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu>>> > for all the hundreds/thousands of
rediculous indicators people follow> > in hindsight, please
show me a few testable systems in which the> > indicator
actually predicted the move, and not a month later, nor as> >
a result of the overall market move. for all the chart patterns
in> > the world, no one has testable results for the pattern
in which they> > believe in. And why not, if someone went thru
the trouble of> > developing, writing the indicator into a
program? Go one step> > furether and prove it's effectiveness,
with subjectivity removed.> > Wave this, cycle that, fib this,
retrace that, support this, regress> > that, hurst this, lunar
that, sun spot this. Show me the money made,> > the accuracy
of the indicator used. Make me a believer, not an> >
agnostic.> > I still prefer magenta, unless green begins to
work.> > when magenta and green mix, now that's
trouble.> > could be a wave forming.> >>
>> > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Bob Heisler"
<BHEISLER@xxxx> wrote:> > > Earl is a long-time,
respected member of Realtraders and a seasoned> > trader as
well. You'd do well to try and learn from his posts versus> >
the ridicule in your post below. Or better yet, post some of
your> > own thoughts/ideas.> > >> >
> Bob> > > ----- Original Message -----> >
> From: jeff97_98_1998> > > To: realtraders@xxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:51 AM> > > Subject:
Re: [RT] Indu> > >> > >> > > I
find the Magenta indicators work best for me.> > > Next is
cyan.> > > Do you read tea leaves too?> > >
Add a few more lines to that chart.> > > I'm sure one will
be hit eventually.> > >> > >> > >
--- In realtraders@xxxx, "Earl
Adamy" <eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> > > > Current working
S&P cash chart includes some important left> >
pivot> > > lows. I've> > > > got lots of
price targets, however two major sets agree with> >
your> > > ranges. I> > > > suspect price is
going to reach the lower target before 2002 is> > > out. I
also> > > > suspect that the upper range will contain
this particular leg.> > > >> > > >
Earl> > > >> > > > ----- Original
Message -----> > > > From: <rosow@xxxx>>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>> > > > Sent:
Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:36 PM> > > > Subject: Re:
[RT] Indu> > > >> > > >> >
> > > Ben,> > > > >> > > >
> 1) 1st wave 5 downside target is the area between 883-908>
> which> > > sports the> > > > > MOB
parameters and a few price clusters.> > > > >>
> > > > 2) 2nd wave 5 downside target is the area between
803-833> > which> > > contains 4> >
> > > price clusters.> > > > >> >
> > > Lenny> > > > >> > > >
> PS - if we have a quick retracement up from here I would be>
> > surprised if> > > > it> > > >
> closes above 1074.36.> > > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > >
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19Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:06:45 -0400From: "Nqoos" <<A
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data request tradesation 2000i spx or futures 30 min.... needed for
backtestingPlease contact me ... thanksGood Trading to
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20Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:15:22 -0400From: "Norman Winski"
<<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Profit MarginsToday was a good example of how being patient and
using bigger profit parameters, one could make their month in a day or
two. If you didn't notice, we just had a $50+ swing in the S&P 500
in two days. What does this say to you about trying to make 2.25 on a
trade? Given that 50 is 22.22 times 50, it says to me that I only have
to catch one big move per month to make up for grunting out more than 22
2.25 trades per month. Cheers,Norman[This
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21Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:19:57 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: InduSomeone wrote .....please show me a few testable
systems in which the> indicator actually predicted the move, and
not a month laterIf you go to my site you will see that we
missed one day this week other wise the indicator that we use has
been around for a while and does what you ask.....predicts the
moveR--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Jeffrey Harteam"
<jharteam@xxxx> wrote:> Jeff97,98,2002> >
Good post, you have covered all the techniques that are not
tradable. I am> eager to learn your methodology.
Regards> > Have a good one> JeffHongKong>
> > -----Original Message-----> From: Norman Winski
[mailto:nwinski@xxxx]> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:28
PM> To: realtraders@xxxx> Subject: Re: [RT] Indu>
> Jeff97,> > Lead by example.> >
Cheers,> > Norman> ----- Original Message
-----> From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>> To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:13
AM> Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> > > > for all
the hundreds/thousands of rediculous indicators people
follow> > in hindsight, please show me a few testable
systems in which the> > indicator actually predicted the move,
and not a month later, nor as> > a result of the overall
market move. for all the chart patterns in> > the world,
no one has testable results for the pattern in which they>
> believe in. And why not, if someone went thru the trouble
of> > developing, writing the indicator into a program? Go one
step> > furether and prove it's effectiveness, with
subjectivity removed.> > Wave this, cycle that, fib this,
retrace that, support this, regress> > that, hurst this,
lunar that, sun spot this. Show me the money made,> > the
accuracy of the indicator used. Make me a believer, not an> >
agnostic.> > I still prefer magenta, unless green begins to
work.> > when magenta and green mix, now that's
trouble.> > could be a wave forming.> >>
>> > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Bob Heisler"
<BHEISLER@xxxx> wrote:> > > Earl is a long-time,
respected member of Realtraders and a seasoned> > trader
as well. You'd do well to try and learn from his posts
versus> > the ridicule in your post below. Or better yet,
post some of your> > own thoughts/ideas.> >
>> > > Bob> > > ----- Original Message
-----> > > From: jeff97_98_1998> > > To:
realtraders@xxxx> > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:51
AM> > > Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> > >>
> >> > > I find the Magenta indicators work best for
me.> > > Next is cyan.> > > Do you read tea
leaves too?> > > Add a few more lines to that
chart.> > > I'm sure one will be hit eventually.>
> >> > >> > > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Earl Adamy"
<eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> > > > Current working
S&P cash chart includes some important left> >
pivot> > > lows. I've> > > > got lots of
price targets, however two major sets agree with> >
your> > > ranges. I> > > > suspect price is
going to reach the lower target before 2002 is> > >
out. I also> > > > suspect that the upper range will
contain this particular leg.> > > >> >
> > Earl> > > >> > > > -----
Original Message -----> > > > From:
<rosow@xxxx>> > > > To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July
03, 2002 11:36 PM> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Indu>
> > >> > > >> > > > >
Ben,> > > > >> > > > > 1) 1st wave
5 downside target is the area between 883-908> > which>
> > sports the> > > > > MOB parameters and a
few price clusters.> > > > >> > > >
> 2) 2nd wave 5 downside target is the area between 803-833>
> which> > > contains 4> > > > >
price clusters.> > > > >> > > > >
Lenny> > > > >> > > > > PS - if we
have a quick retracement up from here I would be> > >
surprised if> > > > it> > > > >
closes above 1074.36.> > > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > >
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22Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:25:04 -0400From: "Norman Winski"
<<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: reference wanted>>> I recently ran across
Bob Ryburn living on> Bernard St, San Benito, TX> He is
selling a product called Dragonslayer and exchange trader.> Does
anyone have experience in dealing with him?>>
Thanks> R,I heard he got eaten by a dragon.I think it
was at one of those big Texas BBQs the Dragons hold each year.Just
one breath is all it takes. Well apparently Bob was trying to tell
oneof thedragons how he could help them make a bunch of money in
the market.The dragon burst out laughing and the rest is dinner os
"shish ka bob".Bon Appetit,Norman> Reinar @
techie
.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--- In realtraders@xxxx,
CRLeBeau@xxxx wrote:> > In a message dated 7/4/02 3:27:33 PM
Pacific Daylight Time,> > nwinski@xxxx writes:>
>> >> > >> > > M,> >
>> > > Which LW big winnings are you referring? Is this
the how I made> a million> > > being long in one
account and short in the other and only> reporting the>
> > winning trades episode? The NFA found this so hilarious
they> gave him a> > > life> > > time
vacation.> > >> > > Cheers,> >
>> > > Norman> > >> >>
> Norman, What you are saying about LW is not true. He did
make> the million> > and it was not from any
manipulation of accounts etc. The NFA has> never> >
accused him of not making these profits. His problems with the>
NFA were on> > other issues.> >> > Chuck
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23Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:46:48 -0000From: "jeff97_98_1998"
<<A
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Re: Indu"If you go to my site"What is the address,
please?thanks,jeff--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "reinar2020"
<reinar2020@xxxx> wrote:> Someone wrote .....>
please show me a few testable systems in which the> >
indicator actually predicted the move, and not a month later>
> If you go to my site you will see that we missed one day this
week > other wise the indicator that we use has been around for a
while and > does what you ask.....predicts the move>
R> > > > > > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Jeffrey Harteam"
<jharteam@xxxx> wrote:> > Jeff97,98,2002> >
> > Good post, you have covered all the techniques that are
not > tradable. I am> > eager to learn your
methodology. Regards> > > > Have a good one>
> JeffHongKong> > > > > > -----Original
Message-----> > From: Norman Winski
[mailto:nwinski@xxxx]> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:28
PM> > To: realtraders@xxxx> > Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu> > > > Jeff97,> > > > Lead
by example.> > > > Cheers,> > >
> Norman> > ----- Original Message -----> > From:
"jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>> > To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:13
AM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> > > >
> > > for all the hundreds/thousands of rediculous
indicators people > follow> > > in hindsight, please
show me a few testable systems in which the> > > indicator
actually predicted the move, and not a month later, > nor
as> > > a result of the overall market move. for all the
chart patterns > in> > > the world, no one has
testable results for the pattern in which > they> >
> believe in. And why not, if someone went thru the trouble
of> > > developing, writing the indicator into a program?
Go one step> > > furether and prove it's effectiveness,
with subjectivity removed.> > > Wave this, cycle that,
fib this, retrace that, support this, > regress> > >
that, hurst this, lunar that, sun spot this. Show me the money >
made,> > > the accuracy of the indicator used. Make me a
believer, not an> > > agnostic.> > > I still
prefer magenta, unless green begins to work.> > > when
magenta and green mix, now that's trouble.> > > could be a
wave forming.> > >> > >> > > ---
In realtraders@xxxx, "Bob
Heisler" <BHEISLER@xxxx> wrote:> > > > Earl is a
long-time, respected member of Realtraders and a >
seasoned> > > trader as well. You'd do well to try and
learn from his posts > versus> > > the ridicule in
your post below. Or better yet, post some of > your> >
> own thoughts/ideas.> > > >> > > >
Bob> > > > ----- Original Message -----> >
> > From: jeff97_98_1998> > > > To:
realtraders@xxxx> > > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:51
AM> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> > >
>> > > >> > > > I find the Magenta
indicators work best for me.> > > > Next is
cyan.> > > > Do you read tea leaves too?> >
> > Add a few more lines to that chart.> > > > I'm
sure one will be hit eventually.> > > >> >
> >> > > > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Earl Adamy"
<eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> > > > > Current working
S&P cash chart includes some important left> > >
pivot> > > > lows. I've> > > > > got
lots of price targets, however two major sets agree >
with> > > your> > > > ranges. I>
> > > > suspect price is going to reach the lower target
before > 2002 is> > > > out. I also> >
> > > suspect that the upper range will contain this particular
> leg.> > > > >> > > > >
Earl> > > > >> > > > > -----
Original Message -----> > > > > From:
<rosow@xxxx>> > > > > To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday,
July 03, 2002 11:36 PM> > > > > Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > > Ben,> > > > > >>
> > > > > 1) 1st wave 5 downside target is the area
between 883-908> > > which> > > >
sports the> > > > > > MOB parameters and a few
price clusters.> > > > > >> > > >
> > 2) 2nd wave 5 downside target is the area between
803-833> > > which> > > > contains
4> > > > > > price clusters.> > >
> > >> > > > > > Lenny> > >
> > >> > > > > > PS - if we have a quick
retracement up from here I would > be> > > >
surprised if> > > > > it> > > > >
> closes above 1074.36.> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > >
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24Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:46:57 -0400From: "Norman Winski"
<<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE: What happened to the Hurst
cycle?Clyde,That is a might big IF. I would rather
design a trading methodology thathas a large tolearnce factor and
the assumption my trading stinks built intoit. That way, if my
trading stinks, I can make money. If my trading isslightly better
than my low expections, I can make lots of money etc. Themistake
that many make is designing an approach that demands perfect. Thisis
like building a bridge or buidling with zero tolerance. It is only
amatter of time before the structure fails. How many traders
actually evercome even close to perfection let alone 70-80% winning
percentage? Thenthere is the win loss ratio to consider. Anyway, it
only takes one wrongassumption to send one into world of delusion.
Back in college my econ proftold a story about three guys, a
biologists, an engineer, and an economistship wrecked on a tropical
island. "How will we ever survive?", the questionwas posed. The
biologists said that using his unique knowledge of plant andanimal
life, they would be able to identify food sources on the island
andeat for some time to come, until help could arrive. The engineer
said thathe would use tropical fruits to extract citric acid,
coconuts for a shell tomake batteries and a radio to signal for
help. The economists said, (beforecell phones) "GIVEN that we have a
telephone, why don't we call home and getsome help". The point here
is that telephones on deserted islands are notgiven and neither are
trading profits. You may assume yourself right out
ofexistance.Cheers,Norman----- Original
Message -----From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 5:27 PMSubject: Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE:
[RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?> This subject is
very interesting to me.>> I just completed a "system" for
Tradestation which allows me to specify> the time and date at
which a transaction is to take place and then using> the internal
capabilities of TS compile statistics about such trades.>>
This discussion provided an opportunity to exercise this system and
to> get a measure of what the discussion was
about.>> I ran 5 simulations in which the pivots were
picked using my LengthOfSwing> indicator with detection lengths
of 5, 8, 13, 21, and 34 barlengths.>> At each of these
pivots TS was instructed to buy or sell at the close ofthe>
pivot day and statistics gathered.>> Here is what I
found.>> Detection Total Total Trade> Length
$Profit #Trades AvgLength>> 5 $53.26 111 5> 8
$47.45 79 7> 13 $43.53 55 11> 21 $34.12 33 18> 34
$21.06 16 35>> Not much doubt that if you can trade
perfectly then the shorter the> length of the trade the more
money you make over the same period.>> The above is
WITHOUT COMPOUNDING. If compounding were> allowed then the
difference is staggering.>> A look at the attached
graphics will add more information and a better> feel for the
trades that were used.>> Clyde>>> - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Clyde Lee
Chairman/CEO (Home of SwingMachine)> SYTECH Corporation email: <A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
7910 Westglen, Suite 105 Office: (713) 783-9540> Houston, TX
77063 Fax: (713) 783-1092> Details at: <A
href="http://www.theswingmachine.com";>www.theswingmachine.com>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ->>
----- Original Message -----> From: "ira" <<A
href="mailto:irat@xxxxxxxxx";>irat@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:41 AM> Subject: Re: HOLDING
PERIOD...was RE: [RT] What happened to the
Hurstcycle?>>> > I don't look at average
holding times. It strictly depends upon whichset> > of
time frames that I am trading. This morning I would have been in
at> 967> > and out at 980 and the trade would have been
for about 1/2 an hour. I> > usually wouldn't trade the first
or last 1/2 hour, but this trade was>
clear>>>> To unsubscribe from this group,
send an email to:> <A
href="mailto:realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to <A
href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>>________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message:
25Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:54:28 -0400From: "wavemechanic"
<<A
href="mailto:wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE: What happened to the Hurst
cycle?----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Winski
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:46 PMSubject: Re: HOLDING
PERIOD...was RE: [RT] What happened to the Hurst
cycle?Clyde,That is a might big IF. I would rather
design a trading methodology thathas a large tolearnce factor
(ROBUSTNESS!) and the assumption my trading stinks built intoit.
That way, if my trading stinks, I can make money. If my trading
isslightly better than my low expections, I can make lots of money
etc. Themistake that many make is designing an approach that demands
perfect. Thisis like building a bridge or buidling with zero
tolerance. It is only amatter of time before the structure fails.
How many traders actually evercome even close to perfection let
alone 70-80% winning percentage? Thenthere is the win loss ratio to
consider. Anyway, it only takes one wrongassumption to send one into
world of delusion. Back in college my econ proftold a story about
three guys, a biologists, an engineer, and an economistship wrecked
on a tropical island. "How will we ever survive?", the questionwas
posed. The biologists said that using his unique knowledge of plant
andanimal life, they would be able to identify food sources on the
island andeat for some time to come, until help could arrive. The
engineer said thathe would use tropical fruits to extract citric
acid, coconuts for a shell tomake batteries and a radio to signal
for help. The economists said, (beforecell phones) "GIVEN that we
have a telephone, why don't we call home and getsome help". The
point here is that telephones on deserted islands are notgiven and
neither are trading profits. You may assume yourself right out
ofexistance.Cheers,Norman----- Original
Message -----From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 5:27 PMSubject: Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE:
[RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?> This subject is
very interesting to me.>> I just completed a "system" for
Tradestation which allows me to specify> the time and date at
which a transaction is to take place and then using> the internal
capabilities of TS compile statistics about such trades.>>
This discussion provided an opportunity to exercise this system and
to> get a measure of what the discussion was
about.>> I ran 5 simulations in which the pivots were
picked using my LengthOfSwing> indicator with detection lengths
of 5, 8, 13, 21, and 34 barlengths.>> At each of these
pivots TS was instructed to buy or sell at the close ofthe>
pivot day and statistics gathered.>> Here is what I
found.>> Detection Total Total Trade> Length
$Profit #Trades AvgLength>> 5 $53.26 111 5> 8
$47.45 79 7> 13 $43.53 55 11> 21 $34.12 33 18> 34
$21.06 16 35>> Not much doubt that if you can trade
perfectly then the shorter the> length of the trade the more
money you make over the same period.>> The above is
WITHOUT COMPOUNDING. If compounding were> allowed then the
difference is staggering.>> A look at the attached
graphics will add more information and a better> feel for the
trades that were used.>> Clyde>>> - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Clyde Lee
Chairman/CEO (Home of SwingMachine)> SYTECH Corporation email: <A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
7910 Westglen, Suite 105 Office: (713) 783-9540> Houston, TX
77063 Fax: (713) 783-1092> Details at: <A
href="http://www.theswingmachine.com";>www.theswingmachine.com>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ->>
----- Original Message -----> From: "ira" <<A
href="mailto:irat@xxxxxxxxx";>irat@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:41 AM> Subject: Re: HOLDING
PERIOD...was RE: [RT] What happened to the
Hurstcycle?>>> > I don't look at average
holding times. It strictly depends upon whichset> > of
time frames that I am trading. This morning I would have been in
at> 967> > and out at 980 and the trade would have been
for about 1/2 an hour. I> > usually wouldn't trade the first
or last 1/2 hour, but this trade was>
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