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Ben,
Thats pretty interesting that you think that way as most people
do!Its good that sentiment is so heavily bearish - makes for better
short squeezes!
What you need to realise is the herd mentality of the US people
getting worked up about
attacks on 4th of July and its all becuase of the mono minded US
media.
Sell the rumour and buy the fact is what the market is doing.
Over here we heard of one report that 8 Afghams hopped on board a
tanker and were coming to LA
to attack it. Now when I was in LA most people had more guns in
their Kitchen drawer than these poor tea towel heads would have on the
whole ship. Let alone when you get in the car with an LA Cabbie!
As Paul Hogan would say "you call that a gun"!
I think you will find that the sentiment has changed at least for a
month or two.
Warmest
Regards
David
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:47:48
-0400From: profitok <<A title=mailto:profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";><FONT
color=#0000ff>profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Noticethis IS a short covering rallyPlease
use to re enter your shortsBen > with the 21/21
intersection? If coming from below, price has clawed> > it's way
back up from being totally in a down fan. It now has> > the
"chance" to stay above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .> >
feigning strength? Look at the chart, but here's what it looks
like> > ><. On the exit side price can a. stay above the
21ang_up, b. drop> > below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down between
the 2 angles in an> > expanding triangle. If #3 occurrs, during
this consolidation major> > money takes its position for the
next move. I try to take my cues> > from where stocks are
positioned relative to the cycle T/P targets.> > And in most
cases the extremes may have already been hit and reversed> > off
of prior to this consolidation, should it occur. FWIW> >>
> GT'> >> > Dox> >> > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > >> > > I
think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >> > >
Geometrical version of Time & Price.> > >> >
> GT'> > >> > > Dox> > >>
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6Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:25:11 -0000From: "jeff97_98_1998"
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Re: Induvery nice record on your stock selections.thanks for
the info, and a performance report.i appreciate the clear and accurate
reporting.regards,jeff--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Steve Karnish"
<kernish@xxxx> wrote:> Dear jeff97_98_1998,>
we MAY make it to 1000 intra day highbut DOUBT we will close
there----- Original Message -----From: "Don Ewers" <<A
href="mailto:dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 12:19 PMSubject: Re: [RT] Re: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> I would agree Ben. Hard to say just where it ends
but we are "almost"back> up to the center median line which has
been resistance in the past.> don ewers>> -----
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Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:47 AM> Subject: [RT] Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice>>> > this IS a short
covering rally> > Please use to re enter your shorts>
> Ben> > ----- Original Message -----> > From:
"doxholidaze" <<A
href="mailto:doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx";>doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>>
> To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> > Subject:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice> >> >> > > So
what happens when a intersection target is achieved. Particularly>
> > with the 21/21 intersection? If coming from below, price has
clawed> > > it's way back up from being totally in a down
fan. It now has> > > the "chance" to stay above the up
sloping 21 degree angle . . .> > > feigning strength? Look at
the chart, but here's what it looks like> > > ><. On
the exit side price can a. stay above the 21ang_up, b. drop> >
> below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down between the 2 angles in
an> > > expanding triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this
consolidation major> > > money takes its position for the
next move. I try to take my cues> > > from where stocks are
positioned relative to the cycle T/P targets.> > > And in
most cases the extremes may have already been hit and reversed>
> > off of prior to this consolidation, should it occur.
FWIW> > >> > > GT'> > >>
> > Dox> > >> > > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > > >> > >
> I think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >
>> > > > Geometrical version of Time &
Price.> > > >> > > > GT'> > >
>> > > > Dox> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > >
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8Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:44:09 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>Subject:
forecasting-track recordHi,For $5 a month or less you guys can
forecast with honor. At wbws.net they will get you a web site where
you can post your forecasts and show over time how well they work. We
are doing it and it works well.Last week we were off once and boy did
Earl give it to us.:')R--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, profitok
<profitok@xxxx> wrote:> this IS a short covering
rally> Please use to re enter your shorts> Ben> -----
Original Message -----> From: "doxholidaze"
<doxholidaze@xxxx>> To: <gannsghost@xxxx>> Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> Subject: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> > > > So what happens when a intersection
target is achieved. Particularly> > with the 21/21
intersection? If coming from below, price has clawed> > it's
way back up from being totally in a down fan. It now has> > the
"chance" to stay above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .> >
feigning strength? Look at the chart, but here's what it looks
like> > ><. On the exit side price can a. stay above
the 21ang_up, b. drop> > below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down
between the 2 angles in an> > expanding triangle. If #3 occurrs,
during this consolidation major> > money takes its position
for the next move. I try to take my cues> > from where stocks
are positioned relative to the cycle T/P targets.> > And in
most cases the extremes may have already been hit and reversed>
> off of prior to this consolidation, should it occur. FWIW>
>> > GT'> >> > Dox> >>
> --- In gannsghost@xxxx, Trace
Burton <doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > >> > >
I think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >> >
> Geometrical version of Time & Price.> > >>
> > GT'> > >> > > Dox> >
>> > >> > >> > >
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9Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:44:14 -0500From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Re: [gannsghost] Re: NoticeThe attached is not the ultimate
but it tends to support youridea Ben.This has been adjusted
from earlier one to include anamplitude of the longer wave that seems
to incorporatecurrent prices better.Clyde- - - - - - -
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<<A
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Friday, July 05, 2002 11:37 AMSubject: Re: [RT] Re: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> we MAY make it to 1000 intra day high> but
DOUBT we will close there> ----- Original Message ----->
From: "Don Ewers" <<A
href="mailto:dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>dbewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:19 PM> Subject: Re: [RT] Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice>>> > I would agree Ben.
Hard to say just where it ends but we are "almost"> back>
> up to the center median line which has been resistance in the
past.> > don ewers> >> > ----- Original
Message -----> > From: "profitok" <<A
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> To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Cc: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:47 AM> > Subject: [RT] Re:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice> >> >> > > this
IS a short covering rally> > > Please use to re enter your
shorts> > > Ben> > > ----- Original Message
-----> > > From: "doxholidaze" <<A
href="mailto:doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx";>doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> > > Subject:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice> > >> > >> >
> > So what happens when a intersection target is achieved.
Particularly> > > > with the 21/21 intersection? If coming
from below, price has clawed> > > > it's way back up from
being totally in a down fan. It now has> > > > the
"chance" to stay above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .> >
> > feigning strength? Look at the chart, but here's what it looks
like> > > > ><. On the exit side price can a. stay
above the 21ang_up, b. drop> > > > below the 21ang_dn, 3.
move up/down between the 2 angles in an> > > > expanding
triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this consolidation major> > >
> money takes its position for the next move. I try to take my
cues> > > > from where stocks are positioned relative to
the cycle T/P targets.> > > > And in most cases the
extremes may have already been hit andreversed> > > >
off of prior to this consolidation, should it occur. FWIW> >
> >> > > > GT'> > > >> >
> > Dox> > > >> > > > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > > > >> >
> > > I think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >
> >> > > > > Geometrical version of Time &
Price.> > > > >> > > > > GT'>
> > > >> > > > > Dox> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >> >
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10Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:25:33 -0600From: "Earl Adamy" <<A
href="mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx";>eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>Subject: Re:
forecasting-track recordJust for the record, Mr. Spammer (AKA Ron
Jaenisch), I could care lesswhether you are right or wrong. I do my
own work for my own trades and don'tput much stock in other's
forecasts. Further, I pretty much ignore forecastswhen no written or
visual explanation is provided to support the forecastsi.e. "black
box" forecasts. It was your constant spamming of several YGlists to
which I subscribe which drew my attention to your forecasts andwhich
elicited my strong comments ... even more so because you only
botheredto spam the lists when your forecast was
correct.Earl----- Original Message -----From:
"reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 10:44 AMSubject: [RT] forecasting-track
record> Hi,> For $5 a month or less you guys can
forecast with honor. At wbws.net> they will get you a web site
where you can post your forecasts and> show over time how well they
work. We are doing it and it works well.> Last week we were off
once and boy did Earl give it to us.>> :')>>
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11Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:13:26 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: forecasting-track recordThanks Earl for saying that my
forecasts were accurate"even more so because you only botheredto
spam the lists when your forecast was correct"R--- In
realtraders@xxxx, "Earl Adamy"
<eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> Just for the record, Mr. Spammer (AKA
Ron Jaenisch), I could care less> whether you are right or
wrong. I do my own work for my own trades and don't> put much
stock in other's forecasts. Further, I pretty much ignore
forecasts> when no written or visual explanation is provided to
support the forecasts> i.e. "black box" forecasts. It was your
constant spamming of several YG> lists to which I subscribe
which drew my attention to your forecasts and> which elicited
my strong comments ... even more so because you only bothered>
to spam the lists when your forecast was correct.> >
Earl> > ----- Original Message -----> From:
"reinar2020" <reinar2020@xxxx>> To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:44
AM> Subject: [RT] forecasting-track record> >
> > Hi,> > For $5 a month or less you guys can
forecast with honor. At wbws.net> > they will get you a web
site where you can post your forecasts and> > show over time
how well they work. We are doing it and it works well.> >
Last week we were off once and boy did Earl give it to us.>
>> > :')> >> >
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12Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:17:12 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Nigerian ScamsThese guys want your bank account numbers so they
can withdraw $$ from them. They are rather talented and best
ignored.R--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "ira"
<irat@xxxx> wrote:> It seems that they caught everyone on
this list with the Nigeria million dollar swindle. > -----
Original Message ----- > From: Jeffrey Harteam > To:
realtraders@xxxx > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:39 PM>
Subject: RE: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail sources)> >
> Norman:> > > > The best thing to do
is to just ignore these mails. They are definitely butch of crooks. I
am sure you saw this was being televised on "60-Minutes" few years
ago. I also happen to receive just once this mail from Nigeria. I just
deleted it. Don't even think of leaving the US just for this kind of
BS. "60-Minutes" reported that people did what they ask for, i.e.
going abroad and meet them and ended up loosing their lives. My
impression: People kill for money in Nigeria. Simple as that!
Regarding the IP address you are inquiring. Bill has provided a very
handy tool in tracking down the source of the spammer. Not necessarily
you will be able to get the name & address of this person. But the
"engine" is good for tracking down his/her IP provider(s). That should
do to make lives harder for the spammers if YOUR ISP, most are
willing, is willing to block this guy. I have got a lot of 'craps'
from Taiwan and I ran his IP address on it, this time the "engine"
provided his name, address of the company and email address. Report to
YOUR IPS with all these info and they will block. Repeat the same
procedure if they change ISP. This is the way to fight spammers. On
the "engine" page, you see a few icons below, one is called
"spamcop", I used this one as well for reporting. Being in the US, I
would tend to think they will be more responsive to your reporting.
Hope this helps. > > > > Have a good
one> > Jeff Harteam> > Hong Kong>
> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Norman
Winski [mailto:nwinski@xxxx]> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:16
AM> To: realtraders@xxxx> Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic
(Tracking e-mail sources)> > > > Bill,>
> > > Thanks for the internet help. I noticed that on
the scam spam, it may say it came from "mindspring" but when you put
the address numbers in the search engine you provided, the answer can
be totally different. Have you gotten the one about the $35 million
frozen in an account in Nigeria and they want you to be their partner
to help get the money to the US? > > I got three
different ones like this in the past three weeks. One scam artists
said his boss had died with $25 mil. frozen and he wanted me to show
up and say I was a relative. These people are based in Nigeria. What
are the chances I would even remotely look like someone who could
possibly be related to this guy? More likely, it's a scam to kidnap
for ransom stupid US citizens. One scamster wanted me to fly to The
Netherlands to meet his lawyer - courier. When I said I wasn't leaving
the US, he could wire the money, he lost interest. I offered to manage
a small amount for him as a trial, but he hasn't gotten back to me.
Gee, I wonder why? > > > > Cheers,>
> Norman> > > > > >
> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >
From: wavemechanic > > To: realtraders@xxxx >
> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 9:49 PM> > Subject:
Re: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail sources)> > >
> Norm:> > > > There is some
information under Spam Primer at the bottom of the page. Basically,
one has to get the ISP address (format is xxx.yyy.zzz.qqq, but not
always in groups of 3). You will find them by clicking on the header
of the message and then FILE|PROPERTIES\DETAIL. Then one puts those
numbers into the IP Whois box and up pops the information about the
ISP. One wants the originating ISP, but when in doubt I checkout all
of the ISP addresses. Then send the complaint either to <A
href="mailto:abuse@xxxx/net";>abuse@xxxx/net (send to all if not
sure which is originating), or what I do is send everything to <A
href="mailto:ISP.com/net@x";>ISP.com/net@x... abuse.net is a spam
fighting outfit that will forward the information to the proper party.
A copy should also be sent to the FTC. The message that is forwarded
by you is the one that you receive plus a copy of the full Detail page
from the property box. I find that the majority come from China,
Hong Kong, Malaysia, and eastern Europe, and perhaps 3/4 of the ISPs
do nothing, but some are very aggressive. You can get more
information from the anti-spam webpages, including: <A
href="http://www.abuse.net/";>http://www.abuse.net/ and <A
href="http://www.abuse.net/";>http://www.abuse.net/.> >
> > Bill > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Norman Winski > > To:
realtraders@xxxx > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:29
PM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail
sources)> > > > Bill,> >
> > Could you please further explain your internet lingo
below? Which are the different fields etc? Perhaps you could explain
how to read those numbers? > > > >
Thanks,> > Norman> > ----- Original Message
----- > > > From: wavemechanic > > To:
realtraders@xxxx > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 1:39
PM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail
sources)> > > > Adam:> >
> > Here is a freebie that works quite well. Just pick up
the 4 field number from the property listing for the address field,
plug it in and it will tell all:> > > > <A
href="http://combat.uxn.com/";>http://combat.uxn.com/> >
> > Bill> > > > --- Original
Message ----- > > > From: Adam Hefner >
> To: realtraders@xxxx > > Sent: Thursday, July 04,
2002 10:14 AM> > Subject: [RT] Off Topic (Tracking e-mail
sources)> > > > Is there a way to track the
source of e-mails? I believe I may be targeted by an individual
sending me a virus and inserting a bogus return address and / or
sender.> > This has happened many times and the last two
return address is from "clydelee <clydelee@xxxx>" and "ted
<ted@xxxx>" but many have been non deliverable addresses. I have
the complete tracking details of some of these attacks, but am unsure
how to read them.> > Any help will be appreciated,>
> Adam> > > > > >
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13Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:27:32 EDTFrom: <A
href="mailto:CRLeBeau@xxxxxxx";>CRLeBeau@xxxxxxxSubject: Re: What
happened to the Hurst cycle?In a message dated 7/4/02 3:27:33 PM
Pacific Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
writes:> > M,> > Which LW big winnings
are you referring? Is this the how I made a million> being long in
one account and short in the other and only reporting the> winning
trades episode? The NFA found this so hilarious they gave him a >
life> time vacation.> > Cheers,> >
Norman> Norman, What you are saying about LW is not true.
He did make the million and it was not from any manipulation of
accounts etc. The NFA has never accused him of not making these
profits. His problems with the NFA were on other issues.Chuck
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14Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:39:15 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
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reference wantedI recently ran across Bob Ryburn living on
Bernard St, San Benito, TX He is selling a product called
Dragonslayer and exchange trader.Does anyone have experience in
dealing with him?ThanksRReinar @ techie .com
--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, CRLeBeau@xxxx
wrote:> In a message dated 7/4/02 3:27:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> nwinski@xxxx writes:> > > > > >
M,> > > > Which LW big winnings are you referring? Is
this the how I made a million> > being long in one account
and short in the other and only reporting the> > winning
trades episode? The NFA found this so hilarious they gave him a
> > life> > time vacation.> > > >
Cheers,> > > > Norman> > > >
Norman, What you are saying about LW is not true. He did make the
million > and it was not from any manipulation of accounts etc. The
NFA has never > accused him of not making these profits. His
problems with the NFA were on > other issues.> >
Chuck
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15Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:27:40 -0500From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE: What happened to the Hurst cycle?This
subject is very interesting to me.I just completed a "system" for
Tradestation which allows me to specifythe time and date at which a
transaction is to take place and then usingthe internal capabilities
of TS compile statistics about such trades.This discussion
provided an opportunity to exercise this system and toget a measure of
what the discussion was about.I ran 5 simulations in which the
pivots were picked using my LengthOfSwingindicator with detection
lengths of 5, 8, 13, 21, and 34 bar lengths.At each of these
pivots TS was instructed to buy or sell at the close of thepivot day
and statistics gathered.Here is what I found.Detection
Total Total TradeLength $Profit #Trades AvgLength5 $53.26 111
58 $47.45 79 713 $43.53 55 1121 $34.12 33 1834 $21.06 16
35Not much doubt that if you can trade perfectly then the shorter
thelength of the trade the more money you make over the same
period.The above is WITHOUT COMPOUNDING. If compounding
wereallowed then the difference is staggering.A look at the
attached graphics will add more information and a betterfeel for the
trades that were used.Clyde- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Clyde Lee Chairman/CEO (Home of
SwingMachine)SYTECH Corporation email: <A
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Friday, July 05, 2002 9:41 AMSubject: Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE:
[RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?> I don't look at
average holding times. It strictly depends upon which set> of time
frames that I am trading. This morning I would have been in
at967> and out at 980 and the trade would have been for about
1/2 an hour. I> usually wouldn't trade the first or last 1/2 hour,
but this trade wasclear[This message contained
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16Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:46:51 -0400From: "Norman Winski" <<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Re: [gannsghost] Re: Notice----- Original Message
-----From: "profitok" <<A
href="mailto:profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 11:47 AMSubject: [RT] Re: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice> this IS a short covering rally> Please use
to re enter your shorts> Ben,So Ben, if you get out of your
shorts, are you in a bare market?
<G>Cheers,Norman> ----- Original Message
-----> From: "doxholidaze" <<A
href="mailto:doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx";>doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> Subject: [gannsghost] Re:
Notice>>> > So what happens when a intersection
target is achieved. Particularly> > with the 21/21 intersection?
If coming from below, price has clawed> > it's way back up from
being totally in a down fan. It now has> > the "chance" to stay
above the up sloping 21 degree angle . . .> > feigning strength?
Look at the chart, but here's what it looks like> > ><. On
the exit side price can a. stay above the 21ang_up, b. drop> >
below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down between the 2 angles in an>
> expanding triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this consolidation
major> > money takes its position for the next move. I try to
take my cues> > from where stocks are positioned relative to the
cycle T/P targets.> > And in most cases the extremes may have
already been hit and reversed> > off of prior to this
consolidation, should it occur. FWIW> >> > GT'>
>> > Dox> >> > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > >> > > I
think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >> > >
Geometrical version of Time & Price.> > >> >
> GT'> > >> > > Dox> > >>
> >> > >> > >
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17Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 17:50:48 -0400From: Daniel Goncharoff
<<A
href="mailto:thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx";>thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Re: [gannsghost] Re: NoticeMaybe it's a 'belt and braces'
thing...RegardsDanGNorman Winski wrote:>
> So Ben, if you get out of your shorts, are you in a bare market?
<G>> > Cheers,> > Norman>
> > ----- Original Message -----> > From:
"doxholidaze" <<A
href="mailto:doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx";>doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>>
> To: <<A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:24 AM> > Subject:
[gannsghost] Re: Notice> >> >> > > So
what happens when a intersection target is achieved. Particularly>
> > with the 21/21 intersection? If coming from below, price has
clawed> > > it's way back up from being totally in a down
fan. It now has> > > the "chance" to stay above the up
sloping 21 degree angle . . .> > > feigning strength? Look at
the chart, but here's what it looks like> > > ><. On
the exit side price can a. stay above the 21ang_up, b. drop> >
> below the 21ang_dn, 3. move up/down between the 2 angles in
an> > > expanding triangle. If #3 occurrs, during this
consolidation major> > > money takes its position for the
next move. I try to take my cues> > > from where stocks are
positioned relative to the cycle T/P targets.> > > And in
most cases the extremes may have already been hit and reversed>
> > off of prior to this consolidation, should it occur.
FWIW> > >> > > GT'> > >>
> > Dox> > >> > > --- In <A
href="mailto:gannsghost@xxxx,";>gannsghost@xxxx, Trace Burton
<doxholidaze@xxxx> wrote:> > > >> > >
> I think that's pretty, don't you Stuart?> > >
>> > > > Geometrical version of Time &
Price.> > > >> > > > GT'> > >
>> > > > Dox> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > >
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18Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:51:06 -0400From: "Norman Winski" <<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Indu----- Original Message -----From: "Steve Karnish"
<<A
href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 11:50 AMSubject: Re: [RT] Indu>
Dear jeff97_98_1998,>> "Qui non intellegit, aut taceat aut
discat".> Steve Karnish,Does that include dessert?
<G>Merci,Normand, CTA> Cedar
Creek Trading> <A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>www.cedarcreektrading.com>
1-877-668-1125> ----- Original Message -> ----> From:
jeff97_98_1998 <<A
href="mailto:jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx";>jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx>> To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 8:13 AM> Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu>>> > for all the hundreds/thousands of
rediculous indicators people follow> > in hindsight, please show
me a few testable systems in which the> > indicator actually
predicted the move, and not a month later, nor as> > a result of
the overall market move. for all the chart patterns in> > the
world, no one has testable results for the pattern in which they>
> believe in. And why not, if someone went thru the trouble of>
> developing, writing the indicator into a program? Go one step>
> furether and prove it's effectiveness, with subjectivity
removed.> > Wave this, cycle that, fib this, retrace that,
support this, regress> > that, hurst this, lunar that, sun spot
this. Show me the money made,> > the accuracy of the indicator
used. Make me a believer, not an> > agnostic.> > I
still prefer magenta, unless green begins to work.> > when
magenta and green mix, now that's trouble.> > could be a wave
forming.> >> >> > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Bob Heisler"
<BHEISLER@xxxx> wrote:> > > Earl is a long-time,
respected member of Realtraders and a seasoned> > trader as
well. You'd do well to try and learn from his posts versus> >
the ridicule in your post below. Or better yet, post some of your>
> own thoughts/ideas.> > >> > > Bob>
> > ----- Original Message -----> > > From:
jeff97_98_1998> > > To: realtraders@xxxx> > >
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:51 AM> > > Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu> > >> > >> > > I find the
Magenta indicators work best for me.> > > Next is
cyan.> > > Do you read tea leaves too?> > > Add
a few more lines to that chart.> > > I'm sure one will be hit
eventually.> > >> > >> > > --- In
realtraders@xxxx, "Earl Adamy"
<eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> > > > Current working S&P
cash chart includes some important left> > pivot> >
> lows. I've> > > > got lots of price targets, however
two major sets agree with> > your> > > ranges.
I> > > > suspect price is going to reach the lower target
before 2002 is> > > out. I also> > > >
suspect that the upper range will contain this particular leg.>
> > >> > > > Earl> > > >>
> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > > From:
<rosow@xxxx>> > > > To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03,
2002 11:36 PM> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> >
> >> > > >> > > > > Ben,>
> > > >> > > > > 1) 1st wave 5 downside
target is the area between 883-908> > which> > >
sports the> > > > > MOB parameters and a few price
clusters.> > > > >> > > > > 2) 2nd
wave 5 downside target is the area between 803-833> >
which> > > contains 4> > > > > price
clusters.> > > > >> > > > >
Lenny> > > > >> > > > > PS - if we
have a quick retracement up from here I would be> > >
surprised if> > > > it> > > > > closes
above 1074.36.> > > > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >
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19Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:06:45 -0400From: "Nqoos" <<A
href="mailto:nqoos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nqoos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
data request tradesation 2000i spx or futures 30 min.... needed for
backtestingPlease contact me ... thanksGood Trading to
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20Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:15:22 -0400From: "Norman Winski" <<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Profit MarginsToday was a good example of how being patient and
using bigger profit parameters, one could make their month in a day or
two. If you didn't notice, we just had a $50+ swing in the S&P 500 in
two days. What does this say to you about trying to make 2.25 on a trade?
Given that 50 is 22.22 times 50, it says to me that I only have to catch
one big move per month to make up for grunting out more than 22 2.25
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21Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:19:57 -0000From: "reinar2020" <<A
href="mailto:reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx";>reinar2020@xxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: InduSomeone wrote .....please show me a few testable
systems in which the> indicator actually predicted the move, and
not a month laterIf you go to my site you will see that we missed
one day this week other wise the indicator that we use has been around
for a while and does what you ask.....predicts the
moveR--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Jeffrey Harteam"
<jharteam@xxxx> wrote:> Jeff97,98,2002> > Good
post, you have covered all the techniques that are not tradable. I
am> eager to learn your methodology. Regards> > Have
a good one> JeffHongKong> > > -----Original
Message-----> From: Norman Winski [mailto:nwinski@xxxx]>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:28 PM> To: realtraders@xxxx>
Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> > Jeff97,> > Lead by
example.> > Cheers,> > Norman> -----
Original Message -----> From: "jeff97_98_1998"
<jprroth@xxxx>> To: <realtraders@xxxx>> Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 10:13 AM> Subject: Re: [RT] Indu>
> > > for all the hundreds/thousands of rediculous
indicators people follow> > in hindsight, please show me a
few testable systems in which the> > indicator actually
predicted the move, and not a month later, nor as> > a
result of the overall market move. for all the chart patterns
in> > the world, no one has testable results for the pattern
in which they> > believe in. And why not, if someone went
thru the trouble of> > developing, writing the indicator into a
program? Go one step> > furether and prove it's effectiveness,
with subjectivity removed.> > Wave this, cycle that, fib this,
retrace that, support this, regress> > that, hurst this,
lunar that, sun spot this. Show me the money made,> > the
accuracy of the indicator used. Make me a believer, not an> >
agnostic.> > I still prefer magenta, unless green begins to
work.> > when magenta and green mix, now that's trouble.>
> could be a wave forming.> >> >> > ---
In realtraders@xxxx, "Bob Heisler"
<BHEISLER@xxxx> wrote:> > > Earl is a long-time,
respected member of Realtraders and a seasoned> > trader as
well. You'd do well to try and learn from his posts versus>
> the ridicule in your post below. Or better yet, post some of
your> > own thoughts/ideas.> > >> >
> Bob> > > ----- Original Message -----> > >
From: jeff97_98_1998> > > To: realtraders@xxxx> >
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:51 AM> > > Subject: Re:
[RT] Indu> > >> > >> > > I find the
Magenta indicators work best for me.> > > Next is
cyan.> > > Do you read tea leaves too?> > > Add
a few more lines to that chart.> > > I'm sure one will be hit
eventually.> > >> > >> > > --- In
realtraders@xxxx, "Earl Adamy"
<eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> > > > Current working S&P
cash chart includes some important left> > pivot> >
> lows. I've> > > > got lots of price targets, however
two major sets agree with> > your> > > ranges.
I> > > > suspect price is going to reach the lower target
before 2002 is> > > out. I also> > > >
suspect that the upper range will contain this particular leg.>
> > >> > > > Earl> > > >>
> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > > From:
<rosow@xxxx>> > > > To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03,
2002 11:36 PM> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> >
> >> > > >> > > > > Ben,>
> > > >> > > > > 1) 1st wave 5 downside
target is the area between 883-908> > which> > >
sports the> > > > > MOB parameters and a few price
clusters.> > > > >> > > > > 2) 2nd
wave 5 downside target is the area between 803-833> >
which> > > contains 4> > > > > price
clusters.> > > > >> > > > >
Lenny> > > > >> > > > > PS - if we
have a quick retracement up from here I would be> > >
surprised if> > > > it> > > > > closes
above 1074.36.> > > > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >
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22Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:25:04 -0400From: "Norman Winski" <<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: reference wanted>>> I recently ran across Bob
Ryburn living on> Bernard St, San Benito, TX> He is selling
a product called Dragonslayer and exchange trader.> Does anyone
have experience in dealing with him?>> Thanks>
R,I heard he got eaten by a dragon.I think it was at one of
those big Texas BBQs the Dragons hold each year.Just one breath is all
it takes. Well apparently Bob was trying to tell oneof thedragons
how he could help them make a bunch of money in the market.The dragon
burst out laughing and the rest is dinner os "shish ka bob".Bon
Appetit,Norman> Reinar @ techie
.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--- In realtraders@xxxx,
CRLeBeau@xxxx wrote:> > In a message dated 7/4/02 3:27:33 PM
Pacific Daylight Time,> > nwinski@xxxx writes:>
>> >> > >> > > M,> >
>> > > Which LW big winnings are you referring? Is this
the how I made> a million> > > being long in one
account and short in the other and only> reporting the> >
> winning trades episode? The NFA found this so hilarious they>
gave him a> > > life> > > time vacation.>
> >> > > Cheers,> > >> > >
Norman> > >> >> > Norman, What you are
saying about LW is not true. He did make> the million> >
and it was not from any manipulation of accounts etc. The NFA has>
never> > accused him of not making these profits. His problems
with the> NFA were on> > other issues.>
>> > Chuck LeBeau>>>> To
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23Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:46:48 -0000From: "jeff97_98_1998"
<<A
href="mailto:jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx";>jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: Indu"If you go to my site"What is the address,
please?thanks,jeff--- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "reinar2020"
<reinar2020@xxxx> wrote:> Someone wrote .....> please
show me a few testable systems in which the> > indicator
actually predicted the move, and not a month later> > If you
go to my site you will see that we missed one day this week > other
wise the indicator that we use has been around for a while and
> does what you ask.....predicts the move> R>
> > > > > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Jeffrey Harteam"
<jharteam@xxxx> wrote:> > Jeff97,98,2002> >
> > Good post, you have covered all the techniques that are not
> tradable. I am> > eager to learn your methodology.
Regards> > > > Have a good one> >
JeffHongKong> > > > > > -----Original
Message-----> > From: Norman Winski
[mailto:nwinski@xxxx]> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:28
PM> > To: realtraders@xxxx> > Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu> > > > Jeff97,> > > > Lead by
example.> > > > Cheers,> > > >
Norman> > ----- Original Message -----> > From:
"jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>> > To:
<realtraders@xxxx>> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:13
AM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Indu> > > > >
> > for all the hundreds/thousands of rediculous indicators people
> follow> > > in hindsight, please show me a few
testable systems in which the> > > indicator actually
predicted the move, and not a month later, > nor as> >
> a result of the overall market move. for all the chart patterns
> in> > > the world, no one has testable results for
the pattern in which > they> > > believe in. And why
not, if someone went thru the trouble of> > > developing,
writing the indicator into a program? Go one step> > >
furether and prove it's effectiveness, with subjectivity
removed.> > > Wave this, cycle that, fib this, retrace
that, support this, > regress> > > that, hurst this,
lunar that, sun spot this. Show me the money > made,> >
> the accuracy of the indicator used. Make me a believer, not
an> > > agnostic.> > > I still prefer magenta,
unless green begins to work.> > > when magenta and green mix,
now that's trouble.> > > could be a wave forming.>
> >> > >> > > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Bob Heisler"
<BHEISLER@xxxx> wrote:> > > > Earl is a long-time,
respected member of Realtraders and a > seasoned> > >
trader as well. You'd do well to try and learn from his posts >
versus> > > the ridicule in your post below. Or better yet,
post some of > your> > > own thoughts/ideas.>
> > >> > > > Bob> > > > -----
Original Message -----> > > > From: jeff97_98_1998>
> > > To: realtraders@xxxx> > > > Sent: Friday,
July 05, 2002 7:51 AM> > > > Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu> > > >> > > >> > > >
I find the Magenta indicators work best for me.> > > >
Next is cyan.> > > > Do you read tea leaves too?>
> > > Add a few more lines to that chart.> > > >
I'm sure one will be hit eventually.> > > >> >
> >> > > > --- In <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxx,";>realtraders@xxxx, "Earl Adamy"
<eadamy@xxxx> wrote:> > > > > Current working
S&P cash chart includes some important left> > >
pivot> > > > lows. I've> > > > > got
lots of price targets, however two major sets agree > with>
> > your> > > > ranges. I> > > >
> suspect price is going to reach the lower target before > 2002
is> > > > out. I also> > > > > suspect
that the upper range will contain this particular > leg.>
> > > >> > > > > Earl> > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----->
> > > > From: <rosow@xxxx>> > > > >
To: <realtraders@xxxx>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday,
July 03, 2002 11:36 PM> > > > > Subject: Re: [RT]
Indu> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > Ben,> > > > > >> >
> > > > 1) 1st wave 5 downside target is the area between
883-908> > > which> > > > sports
the> > > > > > MOB parameters and a few price
clusters.> > > > > >> > > > >
> 2) 2nd wave 5 downside target is the area between 803-833>
> > which> > > > contains 4> > > >
> > price clusters.> > > > > >> >
> > > > Lenny> > > > > >> >
> > > > PS - if we have a quick retracement up from here I
would > be> > > > surprised if> >
> > > it> > > > > > closes above
1074.36.> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >
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24Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:46:57 -0400From: "Norman Winski" <<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject:
Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE: What happened to the Hurst
cycle?Clyde,That is a might big IF. I would rather design
a trading methodology thathas a large tolearnce factor and the
assumption my trading stinks built intoit. That way, if my trading
stinks, I can make money. If my trading isslightly better than my low
expections, I can make lots of money etc. Themistake that many make is
designing an approach that demands perfect. Thisis like building a
bridge or buidling with zero tolerance. It is only amatter of time
before the structure fails. How many traders actually evercome even
close to perfection let alone 70-80% winning percentage? Thenthere is
the win loss ratio to consider. Anyway, it only takes one
wrongassumption to send one into world of delusion. Back in college my
econ proftold a story about three guys, a biologists, an engineer, and
an economistship wrecked on a tropical island. "How will we ever
survive?", the questionwas posed. The biologists said that using his
unique knowledge of plant andanimal life, they would be able to
identify food sources on the island andeat for some time to come,
until help could arrive. The engineer said thathe would use tropical
fruits to extract citric acid, coconuts for a shell tomake batteries
and a radio to signal for help. The economists said, (beforecell
phones) "GIVEN that we have a telephone, why don't we call home and
getsome help". The point here is that telephones on deserted islands
are notgiven and neither are trading profits. You may assume yourself
right out ofexistance.Cheers,Norman-----
Original Message -----From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 5:27 PMSubject: Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE:
[RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?> This subject is
very interesting to me.>> I just completed a "system" for
Tradestation which allows me to specify> the time and date at which
a transaction is to take place and then using> the internal
capabilities of TS compile statistics about such trades.>>
This discussion provided an opportunity to exercise this system and
to> get a measure of what the discussion was about.>>
I ran 5 simulations in which the pivots were picked using my
LengthOfSwing> indicator with detection lengths of 5, 8, 13, 21,
and 34 barlengths.>> At each of these pivots TS was
instructed to buy or sell at the close ofthe> pivot day and
statistics gathered.>> Here is what I found.>>
Detection Total Total Trade> Length $Profit #Trades
AvgLength>> 5 $53.26 111 5> 8 $47.45 79 7> 13
$43.53 55 11> 21 $34.12 33 18> 34 $21.06 16
35>> Not much doubt that if you can trade perfectly then the
shorter the> length of the trade the more money you make over the
same period.>> The above is WITHOUT COMPOUNDING. If
compounding were> allowed then the difference is
staggering.>> A look at the attached graphics will add more
information and a better> feel for the trades that were
used.>> Clyde>>> - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Clyde Lee Chairman/CEO (Home of
SwingMachine)> SYTECH Corporation email: <A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 7910
Westglen, Suite 105 Office: (713) 783-9540> Houston, TX 77063 Fax:
(713) 783-1092> Details at: <A
href="http://www.theswingmachine.com";>www.theswingmachine.com>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ->>
----- Original Message -----> From: "ira" <<A
href="mailto:irat@xxxxxxxxx";>irat@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:41 AM> Subject: Re: HOLDING
PERIOD...was RE: [RT] What happened to the
Hurstcycle?>>> > I don't look at average
holding times. It strictly depends upon whichset> > of time
frames that I am trading. This morning I would have been in at>
967> > and out at 980 and the trade would have been for about
1/2 an hour. I> > usually wouldn't trade the first or last 1/2
hour, but this trade was> clear>>>> To
unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> <A
href="mailto:realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to <A
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25Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:54:28 -0400From: "wavemechanic" <<A
href="mailto:wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: Re:
HOLDING PERIOD...was RE: What happened to the Hurst
cycle?----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Winski
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:46 PMSubject: Re: HOLDING
PERIOD...was RE: [RT] What happened to the Hurst
cycle?Clyde,That is a might big IF. I would rather
design a trading methodology thathas a large tolearnce factor
(ROBUSTNESS!) and the assumption my trading stinks built intoit. That
way, if my trading stinks, I can make money. If my trading isslightly
better than my low expections, I can make lots of money etc.
Themistake that many make is designing an approach that demands
perfect. Thisis like building a bridge or buidling with zero
tolerance. It is only amatter of time before the structure fails. How
many traders actually evercome even close to perfection let alone
70-80% winning percentage? Thenthere is the win loss ratio to
consider. Anyway, it only takes one wrongassumption to send one into
world of delusion. Back in college my econ proftold a story about
three guys, a biologists, an engineer, and an economistship wrecked on
a tropical island. "How will we ever survive?", the questionwas posed.
The biologists said that using his unique knowledge of plant andanimal
life, they would be able to identify food sources on the island andeat
for some time to come, until help could arrive. The engineer said
thathe would use tropical fruits to extract citric acid, coconuts for
a shell tomake batteries and a radio to signal for help. The
economists said, (beforecell phones) "GIVEN that we have a telephone,
why don't we call home and getsome help". The point here is that
telephones on deserted islands are notgiven and neither are trading
profits. You may assume yourself right out
ofexistance.Cheers,Norman----- Original
Message -----From: "Clyde Lee" <<A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, July 05, 2002 5:27 PMSubject: Re: HOLDING PERIOD...was RE:
[RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?> This subject is
very interesting to me.>> I just completed a "system" for
Tradestation which allows me to specify> the time and date at which
a transaction is to take place and then using> the internal
capabilities of TS compile statistics about such trades.>>
This discussion provided an opportunity to exercise this system and
to> get a measure of what the discussion was about.>>
I ran 5 simulations in which the pivots were picked using my
LengthOfSwing> indicator with detection lengths of 5, 8, 13, 21,
and 34 barlengths.>> At each of these pivots TS was
instructed to buy or sell at the close ofthe> pivot day and
statistics gathered.>> Here is what I found.>>
Detection Total Total Trade> Length $Profit #Trades
AvgLength>> 5 $53.26 111 5> 8 $47.45 79 7> 13
$43.53 55 11> 21 $34.12 33 18> 34 $21.06 16
35>> Not much doubt that if you can trade perfectly then the
shorter the> length of the trade the more money you make over the
same period.>> The above is WITHOUT COMPOUNDING. If
compounding were> allowed then the difference is
staggering.>> A look at the attached graphics will add more
information and a better> feel for the trades that were
used.>> Clyde>>> - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Clyde Lee Chairman/CEO (Home of
SwingMachine)> SYTECH Corporation email: <A
href="mailto:clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 7910
Westglen, Suite 105 Office: (713) 783-9540> Houston, TX 77063 Fax:
(713) 783-1092> Details at: <A
href="http://www.theswingmachine.com";>www.theswingmachine.com>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ->>
----- Original Message -----> From: "ira" <<A
href="mailto:irat@xxxxxxxxx";>irat@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:41 AM> Subject: Re: HOLDING
PERIOD...was RE: [RT] What happened to the
Hurstcycle?>>> > I don't look at average
holding times. It strictly depends upon whichset> > of time
frames that I am trading. This morning I would have been in at>
967> > and out at 980 and the trade would have been for about
1/2 an hour. I> > usually wouldn't trade the first or last 1/2
hour, but this trade was> clear>>>> To
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