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How would he collect all the call money if the call
would have been execised. In example, M. Simms said he had covered call. In
his example, he would make money on the call, make money on the qqq, with a
strong move up the leap would gain more on the leap than the loss on the
put. This would depend on time left on put as well as price of put. It seems
this would be ok for a strong upmove, especially if move happens shortly after
position is entered. He could only lose the put money, have limited gain
in covered call, and gain on leap.
Dom
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Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 1:57
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Re: option update
Hello M Simms,,
You are correct,, this option position is NOT
for a major move up
however lets take an example
let just say that we close at 36 on the third
Fri. in April (highly unlikely)
we lose aprox 100 for each put as
they were bought when qqq at 35 and another 25 cents for
time premiums so 175 times 125 =$21875 loss
However the 36 call will be close to
zero
and the 35 Jan 2004 will be up
approximately 17500
so we get to collect all the 36 calls money ,,
have an increase in the leap value
and a loss in the put value
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M.
Simms
To: <A
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Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:48
AM
Subject: RE: [RT] Re: option
update
Can someone
show the profit profile for this strategy which is basically a leveraged
covered call with marriaged put protection ???
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I want to
know what would happen to the position if the QQQs take-off
northward.......would the longer-term leap make-up for the losses in the put
and call positions ?
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[mailto:domenick@xxxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002
10:05 PMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re:
[RT] Re: option update
Closed positions produce income. On the
closed positions you said you made $8575.00. If not closed it is not
income. It is a hope, a dream, a possibility, an illusion, a mind
trip.
You still have not clarified with your
one-liner. The drawdown on the April calls
of 2004 was $26750.00 at the time the
closed options generated $8575.00 in profit. You say," I am
forgetting the income from the calls sold". Once again, Were these calls
to close or open. If they were to open they do not result in P&L
until they are closed, epired, or terminated in some other manner. Using
your own words you say "on the CLOSED positions we are ahead $8575". You
fail to mention the drawdown of $26750.00. In addition you now want to
count as income proceeds of calls sold prior to their being closed
out.
nice weekend,
Dom
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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:38
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Re: option
update
you are forgetting the income from the calls
sold
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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002
2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Re: option
update
Ben,
How can you be ahead $8575.00 if
the current value of the Jan. 2004 call is 6.70. 175x 6.70 is
$117250.00=current value. Cost of this entity was $144000.00 minus
$117250.00=$26750.00 drawdown. How can you accumulate money if you put
8 dollars in one pocket and you just lost 20+ in the other pocket
. Keep It simple KISS, as you like to say, so everyone who
is interested can follow clearly what you are doing. Yor posts
regarding this spread have not been clear at all. Is it possible this
is the same spread you said Guaranteed no loss, no drawdown?
Dom
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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002
9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Re: option
update
Now that I have time let me finish
the closing of the long 175 qavph resulted
in a LOSS of $12500
selling 175 qqqfj result in income
of $30625
and
buying protection again 175
qavqh cost $21000
current value
175 IRIAI is $120750
175 short qqqfj is worth
$28875
and long qavgh is worth $21875
on the closed positions we are ahead
$8575 in 4 week for a $133000
investment
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Sent: Wednesday, April 03,
2002 10:11 AM
Subject: [RT] Re: option
update
just to let you know
we got filled on the buy to close 175
qqqej at 1.75
net profit $21075
next
we are selling qavph
order to sell at.75
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Sent: Monday, March 25,
2002 10:03 PM
Subject: option
update
current value
remember purchasing 130000 of options in
the last 4 weekshere is the update as of today
closehere is the update as of today
closelong 175 IRIAI
total cost $144000 current value
$$133000long 175 QAVPH
cost $25625 current value $
11375short 175 QQQEJ
sold $44875 current profit
$16000have order to buy back to close@
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