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Hi Bob,
That had nothing to do with being a <FONT
face="Courier New" size=3>psychiatrist and everything to do with being
female.
Lets all recite the Man's Prayer: "I'm a man.
I can change.....if I have to...I guess."
Good luck and good trading,
Ray Raffurty
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To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:07
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Immune Response
When she discovered it was possible to make more money in 7.5
hoursof work than in 30 days of prescibing meds to prison inmates, she
concludedthat something was wrong with me! Her goal was to "cure" me
whether Iwanted it or not.
bobr----- Original Message -----From: "DanC"
<danc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Sunday, March 24, 2002 9:18 AMSubject: Re: [RT] Immune
Response> With the charter of the list being the discussion of
TA, systems, market> analysis, trading techniques, etc., and with
the occupancy of the list(at> least with the prominent
contributors) being experienced and veterans ofthe> fray, I would
be surprised to see anything more than, at best, disinterestin> the
psy. side of trading life. Somewhat akin to demanding blood
sausagein a> vegan restaurant.>>
Dan>>>> Bob Heisler wrote:>> >
Actually Ric does have a point in the beginning of his post. If
youstart a> > thread involving some new code,
indicator/oscillator or some othersquiggly> > line then your
inbox will get flooded with responses. If on the otherhand>
> you start a thread on any psychological aspect of trading or
somethingto do> > with trade management/money management then
the thread ususally diesalmsot> > immediately.>
>> > This is something I have always found interesting because in
myexperience> > it's what you do once in the market that
ultimately determines yoursuccess,> > not what got you in the
market.> >> > I don't agree with the conclusions that Ric
draws on why this happens,but> > his obsevartion of its
occurence is right on.> >> > Bob> >> >
----- Original Message -----> > From: Tom Bowen> > To:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:07
AM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Immune Response> >> >
Norman,> >> > As usual you are dead on the money.
Congratulations for being correctand> > not being afraid to call
it like you see it.> > I have routed all of Ric's ramblings to the
delete bin via message rules> > however reading your response and
Ric's original rambling and raving> > included in the thread has me
rolling on the floor. He is entertainingbut> > offers
absolutely no value whatsoever to the world in general.
Ioriginally> > attempted to communicate with Ric and he did
exactly what you indicatein> > your response (refused to
listen). Then I realized that he is nottrying to> > help
anyone or accomplish anything constructive. He is using this
forumas> > a means of entertainment. He rambles on about
nothing to bait people onthe> > forum into responding to
him. The variety of the responses and theability> > to
generate disputes among list members is his warped idea
ofentertainment.> > My experience has been that if you ignore
people like this theyeventually> > go away because when no one
responds to them the entertainment value of> > their original intent
is lost and their efforts are no longer rewardingor> >
entertaining. You stand head and shoulders above him in integrity
andin> > your ability to garner the respect of others so just
ignore him androute> > his meaningless meanderings to the delete
bin. You have far more valueto> > offer this list than he
so please don't let him bother you.> >> > God Bless and
best wishes in all your future endeavors,> > Tom>
>> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Norman
Winski> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent:
Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:44 PM> > Subject: Re: [RT] Immune
Response> >> > Ric,> >> > Hypocrisy is
preaching to a group about being a good listener and then> >
refusing to listen to what that group says to you.> >> >
Cheers,> >> > Norman> >> > P.S. I
don't expect you to pay any heed to this. I only posted to
sharethe> > amusing irony of the moment.> > -----
Original Message -----> > From: "ric ingram"
<ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > Sent: Saturday, March 23,
2002 9:49 PM> > Subject: [RT] Immune Response> >>
> > Hi,> > >> > > If a new thread is started
on some obscure aspect of technicalanalysis,> > > this is OK,
will often be built upon, and will not get any accusationsof> >
> introducing an out of the blue topic.> > >> > >
If a new thread on some psychological related topic is started -> >
> immediately an host of people will rush forward to reject the
foreign> > body,> > > like an immune response.>
> >> > > It suggests that what a vocal group of people on
this forum like tospeak> > > about is what they find
interesting, comfortable and does notchallenge> > > them to
change.> > >> > > It suggests that while most
traders understand that trading is 90%> > > psychology, there is
an unchallenged rule that we must avoid the most> > > important
issues involved in trading - so we can collectively and> > >
individually avoid having to change.> > >> > > Sad
really. In my dictionary it is called hypocrisy. You
pretendyou> > > are polite and nice and sincere and provide
service, but you will noteven> > > tell your best friend they
have body odour. For you fear attack byyour> > >
friend more than you wish to help your friend. You are selfish
and> > > hypocritical.> > >> > >
Hypocrisy shows up, not in reasoned agreement or disagreement or> >
discussion> > > of the merits and demerits of the psychological
ideas presented butin:> > >> > > - avoidance of
the topic,> > > - rejection of a 'new' topic,> > > -
accusations of 'too long',> > > - concentration on problems of
style,> > > - filtering out the message,> > > -
accept or reject style of reaction,> > > - reversion to crowd
behaviour,> > > - feelings of discomfort or confusion,>
> > - attacking the messenger,> > > - ...> >
>> > > If any of these descriptions partly fit you, in respect
of yourhandling> > of> > > a psychological thread
on this forum, even to a small degree, what areyou> > > going
to do about it?> > >> > > Some do take some active
steps and make comments about 'what is the> > > problem, just
delete', but will not come forward and tell it how it> > >
is. Are they afraid that they might also be attacked by an
immune> > > response? I suspect so - and I
suspect their perceptions arecorrect.> > >> > >
But then these crowd behaviours are destined to keep in place the high>
> > failure rate of traders - but never mind, it is more comfortable to
bea> > > loser, or if a winner to fail to realise your true
potential.> > >> > > As an individual, not a member
of a crowd, do you not deserve to give> > > yourself something
better? I think you are worth it - why don't>
> > you? Act as an individual, not a member of a
crowd.> > >> > > Some of the same people who go
straight into reject mode in public,are> > > more circumspect
when writing to me in private, for deep down theyknow> > >
they have something to learn, but cannot admit it in public
forum.What> > > does that tell you about crowd
behaviour? What does it tell youabout> > >
its destructive influence? But of course, you have no need
tochange!> > >> > > If you are as imperfect as I
am, then boy do you need to change.> > >> > > I find
change a joy - there is so much to learn. So many
problemsand> > > mistakes and misconceptions to overcome, so
many new ideas to digestand> > > old beliefs to
discard.> > >> > > There is something to learn from
everyone - we are all the same andall> > > different
simultaneously.> > >> > > So many more ways to
increase reward to risk ratios, lower risk ofruin,> > >
recognise opportunities, ....> > >> > > But only if
you can get past acceptance and rejection modes ofreacting> >
can> > > you begin to take personal responsibility - a
characteristic requiredfor> > > change to be
possible.> > >> > > Show that you can change, start
a psychological topic yourself - andlaugh> > > at the immune
response. You will learn much, especially from
theprivate> > > emails, where reasoned agreement and
disagreement go hand in hand with> > > challenging
questions.> > >> > > And that is what life is about
perhaps, learning, helping others,being> > >
helped. But to be cynical for sake of stark comparison,
there isalways> > > the good feelings of crowd membership to
fall back on!> > >> > > May your potential be
realised, Ric.> > > www.traderscalm.com> > >>
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