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Bob,
Outstanding post. I agree with you
110%.
Please let me know if there is anything I can do to
help.
Tom
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To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:51
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Immune Response
I route all ric's mail to dev nul so I don't even see the
post headers but with a list our size, some people will agree with
everything and some will agree with nothing and most will agree with each
other as a majority. It is that majority that concerns me and
the lack of control over our list. If there is a moderator for this
list, who is it? Who set it up with Yahoo? Someone did and I
assume that someone is still on this list. Since several people have
stated they would like to keep the list here on yahoo, lets get a
moderator or a team to moderate the list and then act as the majority
directs.It seems to me that when I joined this list there was a
section in the info that stated I needed to contribute to the list to be a
member of it but I may be confusing this list with another one. I
mention this because a mail list is normally about a certain topic and the
list has set of parameters for all to follow and if you don't follow those
parameters, you are dropped off the list by the moderator. We need a
moderator and we need to decide what we will tolerate and what we will not
tolerate. It is actually rather amazing to me that we have had so
little trouble with kids joining and then spamming the list with
filth. Mail lists need to be moderated. It isn't about freedom
of speech, it's about common sense.My offer to set up a majordomo mail
server stands but lets see if we can bring this list under control as that
would seem the solution that would be most acceptable at this
time.Good trading tomorrow .. we have a shortened week and long
weekend coming up so the markets should be fairly
calm.BobAt 07:57 AM 3/24/2002 -0600, you
wrote:>Actually Ric does have a point in the beginning of his
post. If you start a>thread involving some new code,
indicator/oscillator or some other squiggly>line then your inbox will
get flooded with responses. If on the other hand>you start a
thread on any psychological aspect of trading or something to do>with
trade management/money management then the thread ususally dies
almsot>immediately.>>This is something I have always
found interesting because in my experience>it's what you do once in the
market that ultimately determines your success,>not what got you in the
market.>>I don't agree with the conclusions that Ric draws on
why this happens, but>his obsevartion of its occurence is right
on.>>Bob>>----- Original Message
----->From: Tom Bowen>To:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:07
AM>Subject: Re: [RT] Immune
Response>>>Norman,>>As usual you are dead
on the money. Congratulations for being correct and>not being
afraid to call it like you see it.>I have routed all of Ric's ramblings
to the delete bin via message rules>however reading your response and
Ric's original rambling and raving>included in the thread has me
rolling on the floor. He is entertaining but>offers absolutely no
value whatsoever to the world in general. I originally>attempted
to communicate with Ric and he did exactly what you indicate in>your
response (refused to listen). Then I realized that he is not trying
to>help anyone or accomplish anything constructive. He is using
this forum as>a means of entertainment. He rambles on about
nothing to bait people on the>forum into responding to him. The
variety of the responses and the ability>to generate disputes among
list members is his warped idea of entertainment.>My experience has
been that if you ignore people like this they eventually>go away
because when no one responds to them the entertainment value of>their
original intent is lost and their efforts are no longer rewarding
or>entertaining. You stand head and shoulders above him in
integrity and in>your ability to garner the respect of others so just
ignore him and route>his meaningless meanderings to the delete
bin. You have far more value to>offer this list than he so please
don't let him bother you.>>God Bless and best wishes in all your
future endeavors,>Tom>>----- Original Message
----->From: Norman Winski>To:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:44
PM>Subject: Re: [RT] Immune
Response>>>Ric,>>Hypocrisy is preaching to
a group about being a good listener and then>refusing to listen to what
that group says to
you.>>Cheers,>>Norman>>P.S. I don't
expect you to pay any heed to this. I only posted to share the>amusing
irony of the moment.>----- Original Message ----->From: "ric
ingram" <ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:49
PM>Subject: [RT] Immune Response>>> >
Hi,> >> > If a new thread is started on some obscure
aspect of technical analysis,> > this is OK, will often be built
upon, and will not get any accusations of> > introducing an out of
the blue topic.> >> > If a new thread on some
psychological related topic is started -> > immediately an host of
people will rush forward to reject the foreign>body,> > like
an immune response.> >> > It suggests that what a vocal
group of people on this forum like to speak> > about is what they
find interesting, comfortable and does not challenge> > them to
change.> >> > It suggests that while most traders
understand that trading is 90%> > psychology, there is an
unchallenged rule that we must avoid the most> > important issues
involved in trading - so we can collectively and> > individually
avoid having to change.> >> > Sad really. In
my dictionary it is called hypocrisy. You pretend you> >
are polite and nice and sincere and provide service, but you will not
even> > tell your best friend they have body odour. For
you fear attack by your> > friend more than you wish to help your
friend. You are selfish and> > hypocritical.>
>> > Hypocrisy shows up, not in reasoned agreement or
disagreement or>discussion> > of the merits and demerits of
the psychological ideas presented but in:> >> > -
avoidance of the topic,> > - rejection of a 'new' topic,>
> - accusations of 'too long',> > - concentration on problems of
style,> > - filtering out the message,> > - accept or
reject style of reaction,> > - reversion to crowd behaviour,>
> - feelings of discomfort or confusion,> > - attacking the
messenger,> > - ...> >> > If any of these
descriptions partly fit you, in respect of your handling>of>
> a psychological thread on this forum, even to a small degree, what are
you> > going to do about it?> >> > Some do take
some active steps and make comments about 'what is the> > problem,
just delete', but will not come forward and tell it how it> >
is. Are they afraid that they might also be attacked by an
immune> > response? I suspect so - and I suspect
their perceptions are correct.> >> > But then these crowd
behaviours are destined to keep in place the high> > failure rate of
traders - but never mind, it is more comfortable to be a> > loser,
or if a winner to fail to realise your true potential.> >>
> As an individual, not a member of a crowd, do you not deserve to
give> > yourself something better? I think
you are worth it - why don't> > you? Act as an
individual, not a member of a crowd.> >> > Some of the
same people who go straight into reject mode in public, are> > more
circumspect when writing to me in private, for deep down they know>
> they have something to learn, but cannot admit it in public
forum. What> > does that tell you about crowd
behaviour? What does it tell you about> > its
destructive influence? But of course, you have no need to
change!> >> > If you are as imperfect as I am, then boy do
you need to change.> >> > I find change a joy - there is
so much to learn. So many problems and> > mistakes and
misconceptions to overcome, so many new ideas to digest and> > old
beliefs to discard.> >> > There is something to learn from
everyone - we are all the same and all> > different
simultaneously.> >> > So many more ways to increase reward
to risk ratios, lower risk of ruin,> > recognise opportunities,
....> >> > But only if you can get past acceptance and
rejection modes of reacting>can> > you begin to take personal
responsibility - a characteristic required for> > change to be
possible.> >> > Show that you can change, start a
psychological topic yourself - and laugh> > at the immune
response. You will learn much, especially from the private>
> emails, where reasoned agreement and disagreement go hand in hand
with> > challenging questions.> >> > And that is
what life is about perhaps, learning, helping others, being> >
helped. But to be cynical for sake of stark comparison,
there is always> > the good feelings of crowd membership to fall
back on!> >> > May your potential be realised,
Ric.> > www.traderscalm.com> >> >>
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