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Dan,
Outstanding response. Thank you.
Tom
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 9:18
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Subject: Re: [RT] Immune Response
With the charter of the list being the discussion of TA,
systems, marketanalysis, trading techniques, etc., and with the
occupancy of the list (atleast with the prominent contributors) being
experienced and veterans of thefray, I would be surprised to see anything
more than, at best, disinterest inthe psy. side of trading life.
Somewhat akin to demanding blood sausage in avegan
restaurant.DanBob Heisler wrote:> Actually
Ric does have a point in the beginning of his post. If you start
a> thread involving some new code, indicator/oscillator or some
other squiggly> line then your inbox will get flooded with
responses. If on the other hand> you start a thread on any
psychological aspect of trading or something to do> with trade
management/money management then the thread ususally dies almsot>
immediately.>> This is something I have always found interesting
because in my experience> it's what you do once in the market that
ultimately determines your success,> not what got you in the
market.>> I don't agree with the conclusions that Ric draws on
why this happens, but> his obsevartion of its occurence is right
on.>> Bob>> ----- Original Message ----->
From: Tom Bowen> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday,
March 24, 2002 1:07 AM> Subject: Re: [RT] Immune
Response>> Norman,>> As usual you are dead on the
money. Congratulations for being correct and> not being afraid to
call it like you see it.> I have routed all of Ric's ramblings to the
delete bin via message rules> however reading your response and Ric's
original rambling and raving> included in the thread has me rolling on
the floor. He is entertaining but> offers absolutely no value
whatsoever to the world in general. I originally> attempted to
communicate with Ric and he did exactly what you indicate in> your
response (refused to listen). Then I realized that he is not trying
to> help anyone or accomplish anything constructive. He is using
this forum as> a means of entertainment. He rambles on about
nothing to bait people on the> forum into responding to him. The
variety of the responses and the ability> to generate disputes among
list members is his warped idea of entertainment.> My experience has
been that if you ignore people like this they eventually> go away
because when no one responds to them the entertainment value of> their
original intent is lost and their efforts are no longer rewarding or>
entertaining. You stand head and shoulders above him in integrity and
in> your ability to garner the respect of others so just ignore him and
route> his meaningless meanderings to the delete bin. You have
far more value to> offer this list than he so please don't let him
bother you.>> God Bless and best wishes in all your future
endeavors,> Tom>> ----- Original Message ----->
From: Norman Winski> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent:
Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:44 PM> Subject: Re: [RT] Immune
Response>> Ric,>> Hypocrisy is preaching to a
group about being a good listener and then> refusing to listen to what
that group says to you.>> Cheers,>>
Norman>> P.S. I don't expect you to pay any heed to this. I only
posted to share the> amusing irony of the moment.> -----
Original Message -----> From: "ric ingram"
<ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002
9:49 PM> Subject: [RT] Immune Response>> > Hi,>
>> > If a new thread is started on some obscure aspect of
technical analysis,> > this is OK, will often be built upon, and
will not get any accusations of> > introducing an out of the blue
topic.> >> > If a new thread on some psychological related
topic is started -> > immediately an host of people will rush
forward to reject the foreign> body,> > like an immune
response.> >> > It suggests that what a vocal group of
people on this forum like to speak> > about is what they find
interesting, comfortable and does not challenge> > them to
change.> >> > It suggests that while most traders
understand that trading is 90%> > psychology, there is an
unchallenged rule that we must avoid the most> > important issues
involved in trading - so we can collectively and> > individually
avoid having to change.> >> > Sad really. In
my dictionary it is called hypocrisy. You pretend you> >
are polite and nice and sincere and provide service, but you will not
even> > tell your best friend they have body odour. For
you fear attack by your> > friend more than you wish to help your
friend. You are selfish and> > hypocritical.>
>> > Hypocrisy shows up, not in reasoned agreement or
disagreement or> discussion> > of the merits and demerits of
the psychological ideas presented but in:> >> > -
avoidance of the topic,> > - rejection of a 'new' topic,>
> - accusations of 'too long',> > - concentration on problems of
style,> > - filtering out the message,> > - accept or
reject style of reaction,> > - reversion to crowd behaviour,>
> - feelings of discomfort or confusion,> > - attacking the
messenger,> > - ...> >> > If any of these
descriptions partly fit you, in respect of your handling> of>
> a psychological thread on this forum, even to a small degree, what are
you> > going to do about it?> >> > Some do take
some active steps and make comments about 'what is the> > problem,
just delete', but will not come forward and tell it how it> >
is. Are they afraid that they might also be attacked by an
immune> > response? I suspect so - and I suspect
their perceptions are correct.> >> > But then these crowd
behaviours are destined to keep in place the high> > failure rate of
traders - but never mind, it is more comfortable to be a> > loser,
or if a winner to fail to realise your true potential.> >>
> As an individual, not a member of a crowd, do you not deserve to
give> > yourself something better? I think
you are worth it - why don't> > you? Act as an
individual, not a member of a crowd.> >> > Some of the
same people who go straight into reject mode in public, are> > more
circumspect when writing to me in private, for deep down they know>
> they have something to learn, but cannot admit it in public
forum. What> > does that tell you about crowd
behaviour? What does it tell you about> > its
destructive influence? But of course, you have no need to
change!> >> > If you are as imperfect as I am, then boy do
you need to change.> >> > I find change a joy - there is
so much to learn. So many problems and> > mistakes and
misconceptions to overcome, so many new ideas to digest and> > old
beliefs to discard.> >> > There is something to learn from
everyone - we are all the same and all> > different
simultaneously.> >> > So many more ways to increase reward
to risk ratios, lower risk of ruin,> > recognise opportunities,
....> >> > But only if you can get past acceptance and
rejection modes of reacting> can> > you begin to take
personal responsibility - a characteristic required for> > change to
be possible.> >> > Show that you can change, start a
psychological topic yourself - and laugh> > at the immune
response. You will learn much, especially from the private>
> emails, where reasoned agreement and disagreement go hand in hand
with> > challenging questions.> >> > And that is
what life is about perhaps, learning, helping others, being> >
helped. But to be cynical for sake of stark comparison,
there is always> > the good feelings of crowd membership to fall
back on!> >> > May your potential be realised,
Ric.> > www.traderscalm.com> >> >>
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