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With the charter of the list being the discussion of TA, systems, market
analysis, trading techniques, etc., and with the occupancy of the list (at
least with the prominent contributors) being experienced and veterans of the
fray, I would be surprised to see anything more than, at best, disinterest in
the psy. side of trading life. Somewhat akin to demanding blood sausage in a
vegan restaurant.
Dan
Bob Heisler wrote:
> Actually Ric does have a point in the beginning of his post. If you start a
> thread involving some new code, indicator/oscillator or some other squiggly
> line then your inbox will get flooded with responses. If on the other hand
> you start a thread on any psychological aspect of trading or something to do
> with trade management/money management then the thread ususally dies almsot
> immediately.
>
> This is something I have always found interesting because in my experience
> it's what you do once in the market that ultimately determines your success,
> not what got you in the market.
>
> I don't agree with the conclusions that Ric draws on why this happens, but
> his obsevartion of its occurence is right on.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Bowen
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Immune Response
>
> Norman,
>
> As usual you are dead on the money. Congratulations for being correct and
> not being afraid to call it like you see it.
> I have routed all of Ric's ramblings to the delete bin via message rules
> however reading your response and Ric's original rambling and raving
> included in the thread has me rolling on the floor. He is entertaining but
> offers absolutely no value whatsoever to the world in general. I originally
> attempted to communicate with Ric and he did exactly what you indicate in
> your response (refused to listen). Then I realized that he is not trying to
> help anyone or accomplish anything constructive. He is using this forum as
> a means of entertainment. He rambles on about nothing to bait people on the
> forum into responding to him. The variety of the responses and the ability
> to generate disputes among list members is his warped idea of entertainment.
> My experience has been that if you ignore people like this they eventually
> go away because when no one responds to them the entertainment value of
> their original intent is lost and their efforts are no longer rewarding or
> entertaining. You stand head and shoulders above him in integrity and in
> your ability to garner the respect of others so just ignore him and route
> his meaningless meanderings to the delete bin. You have far more value to
> offer this list than he so please don't let him bother you.
>
> God Bless and best wishes in all your future endeavors,
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norman Winski
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Immune Response
>
> Ric,
>
> Hypocrisy is preaching to a group about being a good listener and then
> refusing to listen to what that group says to you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Norman
>
> P.S. I don't expect you to pay any heed to this. I only posted to share the
> amusing irony of the moment.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ric ingram" <ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:49 PM
> Subject: [RT] Immune Response
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > If a new thread is started on some obscure aspect of technical analysis,
> > this is OK, will often be built upon, and will not get any accusations of
> > introducing an out of the blue topic.
> >
> > If a new thread on some psychological related topic is started -
> > immediately an host of people will rush forward to reject the foreign
> body,
> > like an immune response.
> >
> > It suggests that what a vocal group of people on this forum like to speak
> > about is what they find interesting, comfortable and does not challenge
> > them to change.
> >
> > It suggests that while most traders understand that trading is 90%
> > psychology, there is an unchallenged rule that we must avoid the most
> > important issues involved in trading - so we can collectively and
> > individually avoid having to change.
> >
> > Sad really. In my dictionary it is called hypocrisy. You pretend you
> > are polite and nice and sincere and provide service, but you will not even
> > tell your best friend they have body odour. For you fear attack by your
> > friend more than you wish to help your friend. You are selfish and
> > hypocritical.
> >
> > Hypocrisy shows up, not in reasoned agreement or disagreement or
> discussion
> > of the merits and demerits of the psychological ideas presented but in:
> >
> > - avoidance of the topic,
> > - rejection of a 'new' topic,
> > - accusations of 'too long',
> > - concentration on problems of style,
> > - filtering out the message,
> > - accept or reject style of reaction,
> > - reversion to crowd behaviour,
> > - feelings of discomfort or confusion,
> > - attacking the messenger,
> > - ...
> >
> > If any of these descriptions partly fit you, in respect of your handling
> of
> > a psychological thread on this forum, even to a small degree, what are you
> > going to do about it?
> >
> > Some do take some active steps and make comments about 'what is the
> > problem, just delete', but will not come forward and tell it how it
> > is. Are they afraid that they might also be attacked by an immune
> > response? I suspect so - and I suspect their perceptions are correct.
> >
> > But then these crowd behaviours are destined to keep in place the high
> > failure rate of traders - but never mind, it is more comfortable to be a
> > loser, or if a winner to fail to realise your true potential.
> >
> > As an individual, not a member of a crowd, do you not deserve to give
> > yourself something better? I think you are worth it - why don't
> > you? Act as an individual, not a member of a crowd.
> >
> > Some of the same people who go straight into reject mode in public, are
> > more circumspect when writing to me in private, for deep down they know
> > they have something to learn, but cannot admit it in public forum. What
> > does that tell you about crowd behaviour? What does it tell you about
> > its destructive influence? But of course, you have no need to change!
> >
> > If you are as imperfect as I am, then boy do you need to change.
> >
> > I find change a joy - there is so much to learn. So many problems and
> > mistakes and misconceptions to overcome, so many new ideas to digest and
> > old beliefs to discard.
> >
> > There is something to learn from everyone - we are all the same and all
> > different simultaneously.
> >
> > So many more ways to increase reward to risk ratios, lower risk of ruin,
> > recognise opportunities, ....
> >
> > But only if you can get past acceptance and rejection modes of reacting
> can
> > you begin to take personal responsibility - a characteristic required for
> > change to be possible.
> >
> > Show that you can change, start a psychological topic yourself - and laugh
> > at the immune response. You will learn much, especially from the private
> > emails, where reasoned agreement and disagreement go hand in hand with
> > challenging questions.
> >
> > And that is what life is about perhaps, learning, helping others, being
> > helped. But to be cynical for sake of stark comparison, there is always
> > the good feelings of crowd membership to fall back on!
> >
> > May your potential be realised, Ric.
> > www.traderscalm.com
> >
> >
> >
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