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Hi Mike,
This trade selling 25 april ibm 105
calls and selling 25 april ibm 105 puts for a gross credit of 45,000.00
backed by cash which is collecting approximately 5% in Ginmae , is not set
in stone. When I deem appropriate I will sell more puts or calls depending
on where ibm is at.
The next cycle is for 25 days. In the
last 25 days ibm highest close was 109.28
and the lowest close was 96.38.The beginning profit range (not counting future
selling) is 96.00 to 114.00. With possible more selling at around the
110.00 and/or 100.00 areas.will bring the 96.00 lower and the 114
higher.
With the highest close in last 25
days being 109.28 and the lowest close being 96.38 on ibm , I don't
understand how you can get only a 30% profit probability, which you consider
good. I think a 30 % profit possibility is low. The trade is done and I
know it will be profitable.Option Vue does not agree. Check out option vue by
telling it the spread was bought rather than sold. It should come up with 70
%profit probability. The reciprical of 30%.
Best regards,
Dom
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Subject: [RT] spread on ibm
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I
agree that the theoretical range would be 101 - 109. Including moderate
slippage and commissions, OptionVue gives 101.23 - 108.77. See attached. In
the lower left corner you'll find the other numbers, 13% probability of
profit and a mathematical expectation of -0.91 points at current prices.
This shows that this "conservative approach" is conservative only in that
losses are limited; unfortunately, they are also almost certain (87%
probability).
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<SPAN
class=048215020-14032002>Dom, the strategy you suggest - the sale of a
straddle - is fundamentally sound, and by placing your stops at 96 and
114 you attain a 30% probability of profit at current volatilities, which is
OK for that type of trade. The problem was simply that in trying to be extra
conservative you suggested "insurance" (the long options); that insurance was
so expensive that the position had hardly any chance left to become a
winner.
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size=2>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: Dom
[mailto:domenick@xxxxxxxxxxxx]Gesendet: Thursday, March 14, 2002
21:32An: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxBetreff: Re: [RT]
spread on ibm
Hello Mike,
I do this as a collar
spread. I sell the put and the call. Net credit of 9.00. The profit range
for ibm would be between 96.00 to 114.00. I place stops at 96.00 and
114.00.
I presented a most
conservative approach. With this conservative approach the profit range
would be 101 and 109. These figures would be 105.00 strike plus/minus
the 4.00 credit=101.00 and 109.00. How did you get 102 and 108?
Best regards,
Dom
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Subject: [RT] spread on ibm
<FONT face="Trebuchet MS"
color=#000080>Hi Dom,
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<SPAN
class=541315818-14032002>no offense, I hope, but the trade you suggest
here is not very promising, IMHO. The risk/reward of 1 to 4 sounds
good; however, this is not the correct number by which to evaluate this
spread, for the simple reason that the attainment of that profit is very
unlikely. Probability
calculations bear this out. To wit:
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<SPAN
class=541315818-14032002>The range of profitability of this spread is
extremely limited - only between, roughly, 102 and 108, which is a
very small range for IBM to be in at expiration. If you exit the spread
earlier, that range will be even smaller. In consequence, p<SPAN
class=541315818-14032002>robability of profit is only 13%, and
the mathematical expectation of the trade is negative, -0.72 points.
Should volatility increase, those numbers will be even
worse.
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<FONT face="Trebuchet MS"
color=#000080>Why do a trade for which the probabilities are so
unfavorable right from the outset?
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<FONT face="Trebuchet MS"
color=#000080>Regards,
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<FONT face="Trebuchet MS"
color=#000080>Michael Suesserott
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<SPAN
class=541315818-14032002> -----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----Von: Dom
[mailto:domenick@xxxxxxxxxxxx]Gesendet: Thursday, March 14,
2002 17:27An: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxBetreff:
[RT] Re: spread on ibm
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To: <A
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Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002
11:24 AM
Subject: spread on ibm
Here is spread that can be done now with
good risk/reward .
sell ibm 105 april put and sell 105 april
call. buy the april 100 put and buy the april 110 call.
total credit +4
Max. loss -1 max gain
+4 or anywhere in
between.
If comfortable using stops pocket
total premium of +9., place stops at 100 and 110. For myself I would
use choice.
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