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Another designated market maker that had his cboe start with a ban from
Vegas is Ron Broder(sp). He spoke at a Benjamin and Jerold seminar in Vegas
years ago. Had a photographic memory and systems that were run on Sun
workstations programmed with probability theories by his brother. His cool
calmness(there's that word) exuded an unforgetable confident
professionalism.. Yet, there was no condescension about him as he spoke to
the audience expressing the pit's need for off floor participation. He wore
allegator shoes, dressed impeccably and drove race cars for relaxation...
bobr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] System? What System?
> Ira,
>
> An interesting note is that the Las Vegas casinos don't consider what
they
> are doing gambling. They call it "gaming". That is because gambling
implies
> that you have roughly an even chance of winning, such as flipping a coin.
> The casinos argue that the customers should pay to play. The casinos get
> mad if anyone starts winning on a consistant basis. These people are
quickly
> photo I.D.'d and escorted out of the door. There is a network between the
> casinos to exchange information about those who win "too much" money.
>
> Ira, do you know Blair Hull? He was a pioneer of card counting and made
> his first fortune in the casinos in the early 70s. He took this money to
the
> CBOE and became a trader. Not long ago, he sold his trading firm for
about
> $535 million, so he could have more personal time. I think he had about a
> 50% equity in the firm, so he won't be going hungry soon.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Norman
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ira Tunik" <irat@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] System? What System?
>
>
> > I have never heard anything that is more incorrect then this statement.
> There
> > are blackjack players that were banned from casinos because they had a
> system
> > that changed the probabilities and consistantly beat the house. They
even
> > beat the multiple deck games that the casinos were forced to use. If
> there is
> > no system then how do the casinos consistently make money? They make
> money
> > from those gamblers that have no system. The only players that the
> casinos
> > hate to see are the professionals. They are the only ones that can beat
> the
> > casinos. Just like the markets. The only ones that can consistantly
beat
> the
> > markets are the professionals. Everyone else is searching for the Holy
> > Grail. They are grabbing at penny stocks and buying lottery tickets
> looking
> > for that one big hit. The professional just operates a system that
works
> for
> > him. Makes a little all the time and accepts the loses as part of the
> > system. Nothing is perfect, but there are some systems that are better
> then
> > others. Just like there are some traders that are better then others.
> There
> > is a system for everything. Because you don't have it doesn't mean that
> it
> > doesn't exist. For how many years was the earth flat, did bleeding cure
> > illness and remember you couldn't fly to high because the wax on your
> wings
> > would melt. Do you belong to the flat earth society?
> >
> > TheQuant wrote:
> >
> > > Hello realtraders,
> > >
> > > I saw a real good program on TV lately about gambling and a casino
> > > operator said gambling systems? Gambling systems did you say? There
> > > are no gambling systems, and if anyone tells you they have one that
> > > works their a liar. He went on to point out that a system - If you
> > > think you have a system. Is a method which you follow - that when this
> > > or that happens you have rules in place to do this or that.
> > >
> > > Think about this what trader wakes up each morning and decides what
> > > action they will take when they see what happens? Answer - a looser
> > > thats who. Any trader (discretionary or mechanical) will have to trade
> > > mechanically with or without the use of a computer to succeed else you
> > > are betting on random luck.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > TheQuant
> > >
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