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Well, it isn't gambling on the casino's part. Not over-all. They have an
edge in the odds on every game. Some games, a lot more than
others. Craps, the lowest odds for them are only 13/12 on the pass
line. The worst odds are, as you might guess, are slots. As to counting
cards, you are free to count cards all you wish but you can't use anything
mechanical or electronic to aid you in the process. With all the decks in
use and the frequent shuffles, "stacking" the odds in your favor would be
most difficult. (Of course, if someone was counting and winning big, they
have a law out there that says they don't have to allow you to continue
playing at their joint and you can be sure that you won't be there
long). When I go, I only shoot craps and by putting a minimum bet on the
pass line along with the maximum odds allowed behind that bet, (10-1 to up
to 100-1), you have even money on the odds bet since they will pay you 2-1
on 4 or 10, 3-2 on 5 or 9, 6-5 on 6 or 8, which are the exact odds of not
making those points. This doesn't give you an edge but it doesn't leave
them one, either.
Bob
At 06:51 PM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Ira,
>
> An interesting note is that the Las Vegas casinos don't consider what they
>are doing gambling. They call it "gaming". That is because gambling implies
>that you have roughly an even chance of winning, such as flipping a coin.
>The casinos argue that the customers should pay to play. The casinos get
>mad if anyone starts winning on a consistant basis. These people are quickly
>photo I.D.'d and escorted out of the door. There is a network between the
>casinos to exchange information about those who win "too much" money.
>
> Ira, do you know Blair Hull? He was a pioneer of card counting and made
>his first fortune in the casinos in the early 70s. He took this money to the
>CBOE and became a trader. Not long ago, he sold his trading firm for about
>$535 million, so he could have more personal time. I think he had about a
>50% equity in the firm, so he won't be going hungry soon.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Norman
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ira Tunik" <irat@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [RT] System? What System?
>
>
> > I have never heard anything that is more incorrect then this statement.
>There
> > are blackjack players that were banned from casinos because they had a
>system
> > that changed the probabilities and consistantly beat the house. They even
> > beat the multiple deck games that the casinos were forced to use. If
>there is
> > no system then how do the casinos consistently make money? They make
>money
> > from those gamblers that have no system. The only players that the
>casinos
> > hate to see are the professionals. They are the only ones that can beat
>the
> > casinos. Just like the markets. The only ones that can consistantly beat
>the
> > markets are the professionals. Everyone else is searching for the Holy
> > Grail. They are grabbing at penny stocks and buying lottery tickets
>looking
> > for that one big hit. The professional just operates a system that works
>for
> > him. Makes a little all the time and accepts the loses as part of the
> > system. Nothing is perfect, but there are some systems that are better
>then
> > others. Just like there are some traders that are better then others.
>There
> > is a system for everything. Because you don't have it doesn't mean that
>it
> > doesn't exist. For how many years was the earth flat, did bleeding cure
> > illness and remember you couldn't fly to high because the wax on your
>wings
> > would melt. Do you belong to the flat earth society?
> >
> > TheQuant wrote:
> >
> > > Hello realtraders,
> > >
> > > I saw a real good program on TV lately about gambling and a casino
> > > operator said gambling systems? Gambling systems did you say? There
> > > are no gambling systems, and if anyone tells you they have one that
> > > works their a liar. He went on to point out that a system - If you
> > > think you have a system. Is a method which you follow - that when this
> > > or that happens you have rules in place to do this or that.
> > >
> > > Think about this what trader wakes up each morning and decides what
> > > action they will take when they see what happens? Answer - a looser
> > > thats who. Any trader (discretionary or mechanical) will have to trade
> > > mechanically with or without the use of a computer to succeed else you
> > > are betting on random luck.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > TheQuant
> > >
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