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Re: [RT] TradeStation 6/2000i.



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Hello
 
here is a comparison  between  ts6 and 
2000i
:>> #01)    2000i Supports multiple 
sources of data>>      Allows the user, 
not Omega, to choose who to purchase their data> from.  It also 
allows the professional trader to have a back-up data> feed(s) [what we 
affectionately call due-diligence], hopefully redundant> 
systems.>>      This "feature" was not 
even an oversight.  Not a "Watch this space",> "To be implemented 
soon".  This was a design decision!>> #02)    
2000i Supports third party data>>      
Some types of trading, and especially system development on Futures,> 
require that the trader use synthetic symbols, or continuous 
contracts.>>      Many traders have 
purchased extensive libraries of historical data.>> 
#03)    2000i has the ability to load nearly unlimited amount of 
data>>      TradeStation 4 had a 16-bit 
memory model and was admittedly limitedin> the about of data it could 
load.>>      2000i brought in a new age 
with the 32-bit memory model.  Virtually> unlimited memory!  
For Charts, for EasyLanguage code, 
etc...>>      With TS6 you are limited to 
the amount of data you can load, and you> are dependent on the Internet 
hops between you and their servers for the> speed of delivery - the 
ability to "pump up" your system and control the> bottle necks has been 
removed.>> #04)    TS6 lacks sufficient Intraday 
data for system testing>>      TS6 just 
does not have enough data available for development and any> sort of 
reliable testing of Intraday trading systems.>> 
#05)    [ChartScanner / AutoAnalyst / Analysis Commentary] - 
Not> implemented in TS6>>      One 
of the great leaps forward, implemented after extensive user> surveys, 
was the [ChartScanner / AutoAnalyst / Analysis Commentary]> 
feature.  It allowed, among other things, the user to perform end of 
day> scans to select viable trading opportunities for the next day.  
It alsohas> been applied in dozens (at least) of other ways, from 
report generation to> trading 
automation.>>      I understand WHY it is 
not implemented.  Imagine if one client wereto> request data for 
testing on 5000 symbols at 5pm.  What would this do tothe> load 
on Omega's servers?  Now imagine 100, 1000 or (heaven forbid they> 
should be so lucky!) 10,000 users doing it at the same time?  It 
could> bring the very Internet to it's proverbial 
knees.>>      But, HOW can you call this 
a "better", "more advanced" trading> platform, and leave out one of the 
key features, implemented after> surveying the very users you claim to be 
servicing?>> #06)    Symbol Lists for Charts - Not 
implemented in TS6>>      One of the 
great features, useful for tracking a portfolio, visually> scanning for 
developing trading opportunities, and intimately tied into> Item #05 
above, was the ability to click "next symbol" and step through a> list of 
stocks.>> #07)    RadarScreen - Not implemented in 
TS6>>      One of the major enhancements 
to 2000i was the RadarScreen that> allowed the user to place custom 
studies inside a Quote Window.  Granted,> it was not the most 
seamless implementation.  It was very memory and> processor 
intensive.  But it worked.  And clients had developed, after> 
investing countless hours and innumerable dollars, trading and scanning> 
methodologies that they depend on.>> #08)    
Backward compatibility of EasyLanguage 
Export>>      TS6 is totally unusable by 
any system developer due to the fact that> you are unable to transfer 
code out which is readable by 2000i, let alone> users of TS4 (of whom I 
still have many).>>      
Note:   Omega had not even completed the process of winning 
overtheir> client base to 2000i before the soured the waters even 
further by> effectively abandoning the customers who shelled out big buck 
for theupgrade.>> #09)    Total abandonment of 
Solution Providers>>      With their 
change in market strategy / mode of operation /> 
whatever-they-want-to-call-it they [Omega] have totally left the dozens 
or> hundreds of Solution Providers who make all or a majority of their 
income> by supporting Omega's clients out in the cold.  We committed 
ourresources,> dedicated our livelihood to helping Omega become the 
premier Trading and> System Development Platform for the industry.  
And they abandoned us.>> #10)    Stock Price 
Chart>>      Look at a price chart of 
Omega ("TradeStation Technologies" : TRAD)> and see if you think their 
business model was correct?  I can tell youthat> my monthly 
statement gives me the opposite impression!  And could thishave> 
been avoided?  Could any of us advised them that the route they chose 
was> fraught with danger.  I think 
so!>>      If they were determined to 
pursue the Brokerage business, and I> personally think this was a good 
idea if implemented correctly, they could> have created a new corporate 
entity, and good old Omega would licensed the> software to that entity, 
contract to provide technical support, etc.  The> best of both 
worlds.>>>      Note:   
Several of the points listed above, in a variety of> combinations, 
disallow TS6 for use by most professional traders.  I do not> 
believe that anyone managing money can use a product that only 
supportsone> data feed, for Due-Diligence reasons if none 
other.>>>      It is interesting 
that [the majority of] my criticism of 2000i (and> the number there is 
staggering) go unmentioned, being paled so by my> dissatisfaction with 
TS6!>>>      So, what time is 
it?  It is time for a TradeStation-KillerApplication> to come 
out, Omega having retired from the arena, leaving an obvious> void.  
The timing is right.  I keep hearing rumors.  People keep 
making> noises.  But none has come out that impresses me.  
Prove me wrong, please!>>>      At 
least that is the world according to Samuel K. Tennis...>
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  Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:01 
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  Subject: Re: [RT] TradeStation 
  6/Metastock Pro..
  
  The data on demand facility certainly removes 
  much of (if not all) the
  hassle associated with having data current for 
  evaluation or trading.
   
  Many routines have been rewritten and although 
  originally were done
  rather badly that seems to have been 
  corrected.
   
  If I could  use ONLY TS2K 
  or ONLY TS6 then I definitely would take TS6.
   
  However, what I do is run TS6 realtine on one 
  machine during the
  day and develop on TS2K on another machine.  
  I have written
  routines to allow me to keep certain ASCII data 
  files up to date
  using TS6 so I don't have to have another data 
  source for data
  for my TS2K operations.
   
  Clyde
   
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    Eliot Kaplan 
    To: <A 
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    Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:41 
    AM
    Subject: [RT] TradeStation 6/Metastock 
    Pro..
    Anyone have any comments on their experiences and 
    satisfaction (or lack of)using TradeStation 6, having previously used 
    TS4 or TS2K?I'm not interested in their brokerage, just the 
    program's functionality,bugs, and quality of support as a data streaming 
    product in comparison withprevious versions.In terms of customer 
    and technical support anyway, to quote the TalkingHeads, I'm concerned 
    that it is.. "same as it ever was".But one never knows what a new 
    name and glossy website image brings with itthough I'm betting it is not 
    much.Optimistically,EliotPS: In addition, if anyone 
    has any comments on Metastock Pro and itsviability in conjunction with 
    Qfeed, or just as a technical tool, I'd begrateful for those thoughts as 
    well.Any serious limitations or unique capabilities in the package? 
    How does itcompare to Tradestation in any of its 
    incarnations?Thanks to 
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