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Ric,

You are truely a talented fellow:  no one comes to my mind who has 
that finely honed ability you display to turn exasperation, criticism, 
annoyance directed at them, into a character defect of that person 
expressing their frustration, but you have excelled!  An absolutely 
masterful presentation.  Congratulations!!

Dan






--- In realtraders@xxxx, ric ingram <ringram@xxxx> wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> Thank you for your public reaction - I hear myself in you.
> 
> On Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:09:36 -0800, you wrote to Realtraders:
> --------------------------
> "From: BobsKC <bobskc@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: Maybe
> 
> Do people actually buy this geru b.s. and pay you for it? Please.. 
if you
> have something to contribute that has NOTHING to do with the 
mentality of
> trading, do so. If not, you have burned out that topic several times 
over.
> Thank you,
> 
> Bob"
> -------------------------
> 
> Bob,
> 
> The word you are looking for maybe 'guru'.     I am no guru, and my 
> services are all free.     Perhaps, that is all they are worth.
> 
> Maybe you are projecting onto me where you would be coming from, if 
you 
> were saying what you perceive I am saying, in the manner you 
perceive me to 
> be speaking.
> 
> Maybe your perceptions are wrong, and maybe you are telling us all 
> something about yourself you would rather be kept hidden if you were 
more 
> self-aware?
> 
> When you feel you are incredibly fortunate, and perhaps have 
something of 
> value to offer other traders from your experience of both failure 
and 
> success, you may also wish to give back some of your experience to 
the 
> trading community.
> 
> If you cannot understand this, perhaps you will suspend judgement 
until you 
> can.   But I think you can understand at a deep level.
> 
> Most everything is to do with the psychology of trading.
> 
> For example, the need to discuss individual targets, projections, 
> forecasts, entry/exit points for individual trades etcetera is often 
(but 
> not always) based on a need for reassurance of the wisdom of actions 
taken 
> or planned, or perhaps based on a need for psychological stroking 
for a 
> (self-perceived) rare success story.    Both suggest a lack of 
confidence 
> and thus a lack of long term success.   There are exceptions, but 
these are 
> the most common deep motivations for discussing such trivia.
> 
> For if a trader is more self-aware, then he/she knows that their 
forecasts 
> etcetera are just tips in the eyes of other traders - and having got 
past 
> the stage of taking tips themselves, realise the damage tips do to 
other 
> traders less well developed on the path to trading success.
> 
> So I am glad to have been of (irritating) service to you.    I am 
truly 
> sorry that the opportunity I may have given you has not been of 
value to 
> you to date, for I can only be as successful for you as you permit 
me to 
> be.    No strategy works for everyone.    Not everyone is ready, and 
those 
> that are ready need a range of different prompts, for everyone is 
both 
> different and the same.
> 
> Emotions are your feedback device - only invoked when you recognise 
you are 
> off a path that could lead to your objectives or aims - this is why 
the 
> word "upset" is used for people in an highly emotional state.
> 
> So what are your emotions feeding back to you?
> 
> If emotions are a feedback device they are useful only if you use 
them for 
> their intended design purpose, and not as a weapon to unsuccessfully 
> project your problems onto others and so as a means of avoiding 
personal 
> acceptance of the need for change.
> 
> So let us look more into alternative approaches based more closely 
on some 
> sort of shareable objective reality, and not clouded by strong 
emotions ...
> 
> Imagine you took a trade in IBM.      You did well to buy it at 50 
and sell 
> it at 100 - a 50 point profit.     Congratulations.
> 
> Imagine simultaneously with your purchase and sale, a friend made 
5,000 
> points out of IBM - in exactly the same period your directional 
trade was held.
> 
> Impossible you cry.
> 
> 90 years of DOW data is available free from the internet.   Just 
search on 
> Google for 'free dow data'.
> 
> Over the period of the data, the total move from Jan 2, 1901 to 
April 24, 
> 1998 was 51.6 to 9064.2 - a move of 9,000 points approximately.
> 
> In the same period the total path of the market, close to close, was 
about 
> 127,000 points.       If the intra-day movements were available, the 
path 
> of the market would probably be nearer 1,000,000 points.
> 
> So where is the money?     9,000 points in directional move or the 
> approximately 1,000,000 points in market path.
> 
> They say in trading you should go for the money!
> 
> Volatility provides, on average, about 100 times the opportunity for 
> profits compared to a trend - and getting the trend profits does 
depends on 
> correctly predicting the direction.
> 
> Now you know where over 100% per annum profits can arise regularly 
and 
> potentially stress free.    As you know, much trader stress relates 
to ego 
> - self value linked to prediction success or failure.    So using no 
> predictions removes a major source of stress for those of us with an 
ego 
> like me.
> 
> Now you know why some successful traders put up with a life in a 
trading 
> pit even if they leave for home shortly after the open.
> 
> But if your emotions are clouding your perceptions, then yet another 
> opportunity goes by unexploited.
> 
> That's life for those of us lucky to have emotions, but unfortunate 
enough 
> not to know how to use them to our advantage.
> 
> This last statement is not entirely correct as those that wallow in 
their 
> emotions are using their emotions to one kind advantage - wallowing 
and 
> being able to blame those who are perceived as invoking the 
> emotions.     Sad really, as it is such a waste of a good life 
experience 
> and potentially useful emotional feedback.
> 
> Still, there will always be another opportunity - perhaps this one 
has your 
> name on it.   I do hope so.
> 
> Unconditional regards, Ric.
> www.traderscalm.com


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