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israel is a theocracy run by fanatics who have probably now instigated a
defacto military clue. i agree completely with mubarak's characterization
of sharon.
i will make no more posts on this subject but could not let your absurd
statement of israeli propaganda stand. i think what is going to surprise
those who continue to spout this netanyahu swill is that many americans
still have brains and eyes and even believe their lying eyes.
h1/dw
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Norman Winski wrote:
> DanG,
>
> Correction to your statement below, the most western and democratic
> country in the regioin is Israel, not Iran.
>
> Shalom,
>
> Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Goncharoff" <thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 4:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
>
>
> > In the British press there is a lot of focus on Saudi Arabia as the real
> > battleground in the fight against Islamic terrorism. Although we treat
> > them as a staunch ally, the Wahabi strain of fundamentalism that
> > developed there and continues to exist is a major source of anti
> > Americanism, both spiritually and economically. It is Saudi money that
> > funds Al Queda, and Wahabi 'teachers' who travel to Islamic communities
> > throughout the world and preach a strict intolerant version of Islam.
> >
> > Furthermore, Saudi Arabia has a very weak version of democracy, and
> > dissenting views are suppressed.
> >
> > But they have oil, so they are our ally.
> >
> > Meanwhile, the most democratic and western-looking country in that part
> > of the world remains an enemy -- Iran. So I agree with you, Norman, that
> > our relations towards that part of the world is often irrational, or
> > rather too concerned with purely commercial interests and not concerned
> > enough with promulgating our principles to the rest of the world.
> >
> > Most of the people in that part of the world do not really hate us. They
> > envy us. They wish to be more like us. Their own governments don't let
> > them, and their way of expressing their anger is to rail at the US,
> > which often supports these repressive governments. To make it worse, the
> > US has done a terrible job of getting its point of view to the people
> > there. There is no good VoA service in Arabic, and the local media tends
> > to allow heavily anti-American sentiment. The State Dept has no
> > Arabic-speaking spokespeople that can communicate the US perspective.
> >
> > So it is a huge mistake to assume that everyone who burns a US flag
> > supports the killing of innocent Americans, despite the efforts of the
> > US media to imply that. And there are things the US could do to improve
> > its image in the Middle East. And we need to reconsider who our allies
> > and who our enemies really are.
> >
> > Regards
> > DanG
> >
> >
> > Norman Winski wrote:
> > >
> > > Ralph,
> > >
> > > You raise an interesting point. If we don't need to support the OPEC
> > > states, then perhaps we have contributed to the current situation by not
> > > practising what we preach. We preach democracy and freedom, yet we
> support
> > > these very repressive OPEC regimes which leads to social unrest and
> > > bitterness among their citizens. Perhaps via our foreign policy, we
> have
> > > sown the seeds of unrest which have lead to our current problems?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ralph Volpe" <rjv@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 2:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
> > >
> > > > Daniel: how do you define 'hate mongering?' As for the posts you're
> > > calling hate mongering, what outlet do people have to show their
> bitterness
> > > > for having paid a premium for oil and then being stabbed in the back?
> We
> > > don't have to buy ME oil; but it's done mainly to help the area and
> > > > support economies without direct offerings of foreign aid. And yet,
> along
> > > with their oil exports we're being terrorized and our very freedoms
> > > > and religious beliefs are being threatened. As this unfolds, the left
> (and
> > > I'm sure you're in that political sphere) accepts flags being burned
> > > > and thousands of innocent civilians being killed as free speech and
> it's
> > > 'HATE MONGERING' to express anger at those who do it? Daniel, get a
> > > > grip on your priorities!
> > > >
> > > > Ralph
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Goncharoff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sounds to me like you are looking to get the monopoly on
> > > > > hate-mongering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Ferguson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still say the West should cut off all oil purchases from the Mid
> > > East. Let
> > > > > > them kill themselves over the last air conditioned limo. Let them
> pump
> > > oil
> > > > > > into jerry jugs when all their tanks are full. And absolutely cut
> off
> > > their
> > > > > > access to western revenues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is plenty of oil in other continents to supply the west for
> > > years. It
> > > > > > might not be noticeable, but the ME produces NOTHING. It supplies
> oil
> > > to
> > > > > > producer nations. Something about their culture is totally
> > > unproductive. It
> > > > > > is destructive and merciless. We should let them have it all to
> > > themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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