|
PureBytes Links
Trading Reference Links
|
DanG,
Correction to your statement below, the most western and democratic
country in the regioin is Israel, not Iran.
Shalom,
Norman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Goncharoff" <thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
> In the British press there is a lot of focus on Saudi Arabia as the real
> battleground in the fight against Islamic terrorism. Although we treat
> them as a staunch ally, the Wahabi strain of fundamentalism that
> developed there and continues to exist is a major source of anti
> Americanism, both spiritually and economically. It is Saudi money that
> funds Al Queda, and Wahabi 'teachers' who travel to Islamic communities
> throughout the world and preach a strict intolerant version of Islam.
>
> Furthermore, Saudi Arabia has a very weak version of democracy, and
> dissenting views are suppressed.
>
> But they have oil, so they are our ally.
>
> Meanwhile, the most democratic and western-looking country in that part
> of the world remains an enemy -- Iran. So I agree with you, Norman, that
> our relations towards that part of the world is often irrational, or
> rather too concerned with purely commercial interests and not concerned
> enough with promulgating our principles to the rest of the world.
>
> Most of the people in that part of the world do not really hate us. They
> envy us. They wish to be more like us. Their own governments don't let
> them, and their way of expressing their anger is to rail at the US,
> which often supports these repressive governments. To make it worse, the
> US has done a terrible job of getting its point of view to the people
> there. There is no good VoA service in Arabic, and the local media tends
> to allow heavily anti-American sentiment. The State Dept has no
> Arabic-speaking spokespeople that can communicate the US perspective.
>
> So it is a huge mistake to assume that everyone who burns a US flag
> supports the killing of innocent Americans, despite the efforts of the
> US media to imply that. And there are things the US could do to improve
> its image in the Middle East. And we need to reconsider who our allies
> and who our enemies really are.
>
> Regards
> DanG
>
>
> Norman Winski wrote:
> >
> > Ralph,
> >
> > You raise an interesting point. If we don't need to support the OPEC
> > states, then perhaps we have contributed to the current situation by not
> > practising what we preach. We preach democracy and freedom, yet we
support
> > these very repressive OPEC regimes which leads to social unrest and
> > bitterness among their citizens. Perhaps via our foreign policy, we
have
> > sown the seeds of unrest which have lead to our current problems?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ralph Volpe" <rjv@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 2:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
> >
> > > Daniel: how do you define 'hate mongering?' As for the posts you're
> > calling hate mongering, what outlet do people have to show their
bitterness
> > > for having paid a premium for oil and then being stabbed in the back?
We
> > don't have to buy ME oil; but it's done mainly to help the area and
> > > support economies without direct offerings of foreign aid. And yet,
along
> > with their oil exports we're being terrorized and our very freedoms
> > > and religious beliefs are being threatened. As this unfolds, the left
(and
> > I'm sure you're in that political sphere) accepts flags being burned
> > > and thousands of innocent civilians being killed as free speech and
it's
> > 'HATE MONGERING' to express anger at those who do it? Daniel, get a
> > > grip on your priorities!
> > >
> > > Ralph
> > >
> > > Daniel Goncharoff wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sounds to me like you are looking to get the monopoly on
> > > > hate-mongering...
> > > >
> > > > Michael Ferguson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still say the West should cut off all oil purchases from the Mid
> > East. Let
> > > > > them kill themselves over the last air conditioned limo. Let them
pump
> > oil
> > > > > into jerry jugs when all their tanks are full. And absolutely cut
off
> > their
> > > > > access to western revenues.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is plenty of oil in other continents to supply the west for
> > years. It
> > > > > might not be noticeable, but the ME produces NOTHING. It supplies
oil
> > to
> > > > > producer nations. Something about their culture is totally
> > unproductive. It
> > > > > is destructive and merciless. We should let them have it all to
> > themselves.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Protect your servers with 128-bit SSL encryption! Grab your copy of VeriSign's FREE guide: "Securing Your Website for business" Get it Now!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/M.WTOC/m1FDAA/cosFAA/zMEolB/TM
---------------------------------------------------------------------~->
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
|