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Los Angeles Water and Power is installing
fuel cells now that run off of natural gas. The State of Ca is running
fuel cell busses.
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Dorothy
Carter
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:02
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Correct me if I am wrong Norman but not
at it's level of current development... It is not developed to the point
where an entire city can run off of fuel cells where as Nuclear is
....The point of bringing up nuclear by one of the individuals was that
if we don't have enough electricity as the Calif situation that building a
nuclear power plant may be the quickest solution. Someday when the
R & D has brought a product using fuel cells that is more economic and can
replace the other prominent sources of energy used today then it will
start taking away market share...
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<A title=nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Norman Winski
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
DC,
I did read it and was reminding you that
this was a far better option.
Cheers,
Norman
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<A title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx
href="mailto:dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx";>Dorothy K. Carter
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Norman If you read post below there
was no mention of fuel cells....I was talking about Nuclear not fuel
cells....... :-)
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<A title=nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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To: <A
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Dorothy,
The only waste product from hydrogen
fuel cells is water vapor.
Cheers,
Norman
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<A title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx
href="mailto:dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx";>Dorothy Carter
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
Yes, and the same greenies that we use
to see in the airports hugging trees and hating nukes are now
embracing nuclear over oil....... how short our memories are.
France and other countries have successfully used nuclear without
incident...... the bigger issue is what do you do with the waste....
if you put it into the Atlantic or pacific ocean then someday you
better not order Salmon dinner or Halibut steak as Halibut are
bottom fish..... so while we may have to resort in the interim to
nuclear plants we are creating a problem for the next generation as
far as disposing of the waste... somehow the big bad oil companies
don't seem like such villains................
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<A title=wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>wavemechanic
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
Dorothy:
Several years ago, the DoE was advised to
maintain expertise in nuclear energy so that when the first city
goes cold and dark the country would not have to reinvent the wheel
in order to get going. Looks like we are just about
there.
Bill
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Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
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AMEN....Up until 1 yr ago... I lived in Anchorage
Alaska for 27yrs. and itis taking this disaster to get the
greenies to figure out the importance ofhaving domestic oil
supply vs being so dependant on foreign oil.. It hasbeen a
smart decision made my U.S. govt to import foreign oil while
theprice of crude oil is was low priced and to save ours for a
time when theprice would be high. It is apparant that ..
that time is possibly upon us.I can assure you that the
pipeline does no harm to the environment... infact the grass
and voilage around and under the pipeline flourishes from
thewarmth... and the caribou migrate close to the pipeline
because of thewarmth... Alaskans during the last oil
embargo use to have a saying towardthe people in the lower 48
who were anti Alaskan oil development..... "letthe bas----ds
freeze in the dark".. well folks... it appears that....
thattime might be upon us if we can't get the politicians to
understand theimportance of having ability to develop our
natural resources and to havethe refineries to bring the
product to the consumer.....----- Original Message
-----From: "Gila Brock" <<A
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<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:52 PMSubject: Re: [RT] show
your colors/ Oil> This article was written by
Joseph Farah, an Arab-American journalist, not> an
Israeli:>> The Wakeup Call>> Joseph
Farah> September 13, 2001>> America got its
long-awaited, long-anticipated and long-dreaded
wakeupcall.>> The terror war came home in a big
way Tuesday, Sept. 11.>> Everything has changed.
Nothing will be the same, again.>> Just look at the
impact the slaughter and destruction had on George
W.Bush> and Colin Powell, for instance.>>
For months, as Israel has faced, on a daily basis, similar
terrorincidents> carried out by people living within
its very borders, Bush and Powell have> told the Israelis
over and over again: "Show restraint. Negotiate.
Don'tuse> excessive force. Don't retaliate. Break the
cycle of violence.">> Yet, within hours of the
blitzkrieg attack on the World Trade Center and> Pentagon
and the dramatic hijacking of four airliners, the
Bush-Powelltune> had changed.>> There was
no talk of restraint. There was no talk of negotiation.
Therewas> no worry about excessive force. There was a
promise of retaliation. Andwe,> as a nation, were
assured that we would not lay down in hopes
theattackers> would be satisfied with their blood
toll.>> Bush, in fact, asserted he would hold any
nation harboring the terrorists> accountable for their
actions. Israel has been coaxed and bullied by the> U.S. to
do precisely the opposite.>> Now the U.S.
administration says it is outraged and is determined to>
"punish" those responsible for "the attack on
freedom.">> I'm glad to hear it. And, far be it for
me to question the sudden good> judgment being shown in
Washington. But it's illustrative of what I have> been
saying for the last year. The U.S. has been asking Israel to
maintain> an untenable course of inaction. In fact,
Washington has helped to ensure> that terrorism would
spread beyond the Middle East to the shores of theU.S.>
through its shaky, equivocal, timid, impotent, weak, half-way
measures in> the face of Israel's constant battle with
terror.>> Does Bush really get it? Will he follow
through on his own promise? Willhis> demands on Israel
change? Does he plan to follow his own advice?>> Who
knows? Time will tell. But Americans would do well to remember
this> moment - to reflect on the pain, to recall this
mourning. This is what> Israel has been enduring in its own
less dramatic way - day after day,drip> after drip,
explosion after bloody explosion.>> Let me go
further. We hear many pundits and administration
spokesmennaming> names - Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran,
Iraq. Yet, I haven't heard a one of them> mention the home
state of the chief suspect - Osama bin Laden.>> He's
not an Afghani, by the way. He's a Saudi - and that's where
hissupport> comes from. That's where his money comes
from. That's his lifeline -> oil-rich, "moderate" Saudi
Arabia.>> Is Washington prepared to issue ultimatums
to Mecca? If not, why not?>> The answer, of course,
is oil - which is why as a matter of national> strategic
defense, America needs to do what is necessary to achieve
energy> independence as quickly as possible. Wars do tend
to get messy, you know.> And America has the natural
resources to be independent of Mideast oil.>> To do
so, however, we've got to decide as a nation whether we are
more> scared of radical environmentalists or radical
Muslims. That's the choice> before us.>> In a
very real sense, we can look at the tens of thousands of
casualtiesin> Tuesday's horror as casualties of the
radical environmentalists, who have> persuaded Americans
they would be better off dependent on foreign oil than> on
marring the landscape or causing undue stress in the
elk.>> It's time to get serious, folks. This is war.
We don't fight wars with> people who control our vital
natural resources. But we may have to fight a> war with the
people supplying us with oil. What are we going to do
about> that?>> Americans may be called to
sacrifice. I think they're ready for such acall.> They
watched the devastation on TV Tuesday. They will rise to
theoccasion -> if their leaders in Washington ask them
to do so.>> It's a time for sacrifices. That means
even the elk in Alaska may need to> lose a few acres of
real estate for the greater good - saving the lives of>
Americans.>>>> ----- Original Message
-----> From: Daniel Goncharoff <<A
href="mailto:thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx";>thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:39 PM> Subject: Re:
[RT] show your colors/ Oil>>> > In the
interest of helping people to know their enemy better, I want
to> > express my opinion based on research over the last
year that the main> > 'provocation' the US has committed
against Islam is its continued> > presence in Saudi
Arabia, which is seen as hallowed ground by Muslims.>
>> > I take this from translations of speeches by
Osama Bin Laden, which are> > much more available from
European sources, eg the UK press, then they> > are from
US sources.> >> > Many Americans are perhaps
deceived by the focus in the US press on> > other Arab
nations that are extremely vocal in their opposition to>
> Israel and, accordingly, to its strong ally the US. Most of
these> > governments are, in fact, supportive of the US
due to our protection of> > Kuwait against Iraq, but
they are not democracies, and therefore also> > allow
anti-American feelings among their (mostly down-trodden) people
to> > continue bubbling up, diverting attention from
their own regimes.> >> > Regards> >
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