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PureBytes Links
Trading Reference Links
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http://www.clean-air.org/
http://www.homepower.com
The second url has some h2fc links that have some technical information.
bobr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Ferguson" <wl7bdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
>
> may we see a chart please, world consumption of carbon based energy vs
> available output of fuel cells, less carbon based resources required to
> create and maintain them. relative strength. or size of pie to devour.
> whatever.
>
> Curiously,
>
>
>
>
> > Fuelcell technology is here now. PLUG, FCEL, BLDP are just a few of the
> > companies with deliverable products. Here is a very informative H2FC
> > website. http://www.h2fc.com/defaultIE4.html . The hydrogen sponge by
> > Energy Conversion Devices appears to solve the Hindendberg problem.
> >
> > BobR
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ira Tunik" <irat@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> >
> >
> > > When you speak of fuel cells are you referring to something nuclear or
> > hydrogen
> > > or what? They have been trying to develop many over the years. If
> > nuclear,
> > > what do you do with the used up cells? Ignorance is bliss, I'll just
> > trade
> > > 'em and wait and see what happens. When it becomes economically
> feasable
> > or a
> > > profit can be made, you can bet your bippy you will be driving solar
> cars,
> > have
> > > homes energized by fuel cells and every thing else you need. The
> business
> > of
> > > this country is business. If they can't make a buck, you ain't gonna
> see
> > it,
> > > and if they can't sell it to you at a profit, they ain't gonna make
it.
> > >
> > > Michael Ferguson wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would not want to be the second to suggest the obvious question to
> ask
> > of
> > > > those wishing for an oil free economy, running on fuel cells and
solar
> > > > panels, so I ask you:
> > > >
> > > > What quantity of fuel cells and solar panels, in any combination,
does
> > it
> > > > take to replace the economy that is based on oil? Or, what is the
> > quantity
> > > > of oil, gas, coal consumed by the carbon based economy today that
the
> > fuel
> > > > cells are to replace? Have you calculated this?
> > > >
> > > > Do you think the country would be safer with millions of little
> hydrogen
> > > > bombs running around? Remember the alternative fueled Hindenberg?
> > > >
> > > > Please dream up a utopian future, but show me a realistic
> cost-benefits
> > > > analysis before you suggest you have a credible idea.
> > > >
> > > > For those who hate the oil companies, I assure you they will cease
to
> > exist
> > > > as soon as you offer in their stead a reliable form of energy that
is
> > > > cheaper and more efficient. It will be even more satisfying to you
if
> > you
> > > > can avoid using any of their products while you develop yours.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > > But the problem with replacing oil is that the powerful oil
> companies
> > > > > aren't going to sit by and watch themselves be put out of
business.
> > > > > And as you mention, Bush is very closely tied to the oil industry.
> > > > > The only way alternative energy is going to be supported in this
> > > > > county is if the oil companies get a major piece of the
alternative
> > > > > action. But to do so will take them some time. So we are stuck
> with
> > > > > our dependence on oil for the forseeable future.
> > > > >
> > > > > btw: This is the same problem we face with simplfying the tax
laws
> > > > > or ending the drug interception war. There are just too many
vested
> > > > > interests who are not willing to lose thier income and their
secure
> > > > > positions in our society by allowing any of these inititives to
take
> > > > > place in any meaningful way.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > JW
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Gila,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The conclusion at the end of Mr. Farah's essay is ridiculous.
> > > > > > The US and the civilized world is addicted to oil. The way
> > > > > > to eliminate an an addiction is not to get more of the
> > > > > > addiciton from another dealer. The way to eliminate this
> > > > > > addiction is to find another source of energy that is not
> > > > > > dependent on a foreign source. If you pumped the $50 Bil,
> > > > > > we are about to spend on chasing bin Laden, on new energy
> > > > > > sources such as fuel cell technology or solar energy we could
> > > > > > soon tell the camel jockys to go take a flying leap. They
> > > > > > would soon be fighting with each other over a rapidly
> > > > > > shrinking pie. The question then remains as to whether
> > > > > > Bush and Cheney will be willing to abandon their oil industry
> > > > > > buddies in favor of securing America's future.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alternatively,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Norman
> > > > > >
> > > > > <snipped>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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