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In an ideal world what Norman says is true and I do believe we are heading
in that direction... However, as we have seen in the past... during Carter
admin there was a push for solar power... until the price of the product
(oil) is too high... it doesn't make sense to pursue alternative source of
energy. . . . or rather it does make sense we should be but from an economic
stand point... we don't or have not in the past. I do belive we as a nation
are on that path as we are seeing auto industry developing electric cars and
fuel cells that off and on use petro or the cell... etc and fuel cells are
being improved to the point to where they can be used beyond just being "a
concept".. many of these ideas are at this time only "concept" until they
can be used for more than a ride around the block like a toy car... we are
making strides but at this point in time we need to develop our own natural
resources so we are not caught.... freezing in the dark.........and continue
to do r & d in these alternative energy sources................ Dorothy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> Gila,
>
> The conclusion at the end of Mr. Farah's essay is ridiculous. The US and
> the civilized world is addicted to oil. The way to eliminate an an
addiction
> is not to get more of the addiciton from another dealer. The way to
> eliminate this addiction is to find another source of energy that is not
> dependent on a foreign source. If you pumped the $50 Bil, we are about to
> spend on chasing bin Laden, on new energy sources such as fuel cell
> technology or solar energy we could soon tell the camel jockys to go take
a
> flying leap. They would soon be fighting with each other over a rapidly
> shrinking pie. The question then remains as to whether Bush and Cheney
will
> be willing to abandon their oil industry buddies in favor of securing
> America's future.
>
>
> Alternatively,
>
> Norman
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gila Brock" <brock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
>
>
> > This article was written by Joseph Farah, an Arab-American journalist,
not
> > an Israeli:
> >
> > The Wakeup Call
> >
> > Joseph Farah
> > September 13, 2001
> >
> > America got its long-awaited, long-anticipated and long-dreaded wakeup
> call.
> >
> > The terror war came home in a big way Tuesday, Sept. 11.
> >
> > Everything has changed. Nothing will be the same, again.
> >
> > Just look at the impact the slaughter and destruction had on George W.
> Bush
> > and Colin Powell, for instance.
> >
> > For months, as Israel has faced, on a daily basis, similar terror
> incidents
> > carried out by people living within its very borders, Bush and Powell
have
> > told the Israelis over and over again: "Show restraint. Negotiate. Don't
> use
> > excessive force. Don't retaliate. Break the cycle of violence."
> >
> > Yet, within hours of the blitzkrieg attack on the World Trade Center and
> > Pentagon and the dramatic hijacking of four airliners, the Bush-Powell
> tune
> > had changed.
> >
> > There was no talk of restraint. There was no talk of negotiation. There
> was
> > no worry about excessive force. There was a promise of retaliation. And
> we,
> > as a nation, were assured that we would not lay down in hopes the
> attackers
> > would be satisfied with their blood toll.
> >
> > Bush, in fact, asserted he would hold any nation harboring the
terrorists
> > accountable for their actions. Israel has been coaxed and bullied by the
> > U.S. to do precisely the opposite.
> >
> > Now the U.S. administration says it is outraged and is determined to
> > "punish" those responsible for "the attack on freedom."
> >
> > I'm glad to hear it. And, far be it for me to question the sudden good
> > judgment being shown in Washington. But it's illustrative of what I have
> > been saying for the last year. The U.S. has been asking Israel to
maintain
> > an untenable course of inaction. In fact, Washington has helped to
ensure
> > that terrorism would spread beyond the Middle East to the shores of the
> U.S.
> > through its shaky, equivocal, timid, impotent, weak, half-way measures
in
> > the face of Israel's constant battle with terror.
> >
> > Does Bush really get it? Will he follow through on his own promise? Will
> his
> > demands on Israel change? Does he plan to follow his own advice?
> >
> > Who knows? Time will tell. But Americans would do well to remember this
> > moment - to reflect on the pain, to recall this mourning. This is what
> > Israel has been enduring in its own less dramatic way - day after day,
> drip
> > after drip, explosion after bloody explosion.
> >
> > Let me go further. We hear many pundits and administration spokesmen
> naming
> > names - Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq. Yet, I haven't heard a one of
them
> > mention the home state of the chief suspect - Osama bin Laden.
> >
> > He's not an Afghani, by the way. He's a Saudi - and that's where his
> support
> > comes from. That's where his money comes from. That's his lifeline -
> > oil-rich, "moderate" Saudi Arabia.
> >
> > Is Washington prepared to issue ultimatums to Mecca? If not, why not?
> >
> > The answer, of course, is oil - which is why as a matter of national
> > strategic defense, America needs to do what is necessary to achieve
energy
> > independence as quickly as possible. Wars do tend to get messy, you
know.
> > And America has the natural resources to be independent of Mideast oil.
> >
> > To do so, however, we've got to decide as a nation whether we are more
> > scared of radical environmentalists or radical Muslims. That's the
choice
> > before us.
> >
> > In a very real sense, we can look at the tens of thousands of casualties
> in
> > Tuesday's horror as casualties of the radical environmentalists, who
have
> > persuaded Americans they would be better off dependent on foreign oil
than
> > on marring the landscape or causing undue stress in the elk.
> >
> > It's time to get serious, folks. This is war. We don't fight wars with
> > people who control our vital natural resources. But we may have to fight
a
> > war with the people supplying us with oil. What are we going to do about
> > that?
> >
> > Americans may be called to sacrifice. I think they're ready for such a
> call.
> > They watched the devastation on TV Tuesday. They will rise to the
> occasion -
> > if their leaders in Washington ask them to do so.
> >
> > It's a time for sacrifices. That means even the elk in Alaska may need
to
> > lose a few acres of real estate for the greater good - saving the lives
of
> > Americans.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Goncharoff <thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> >
> >
> > > In the interest of helping people to know their enemy better, I want
to
> > > express my opinion based on research over the last year that the main
> > > 'provocation' the US has committed against Islam is its continued
> > > presence in Saudi Arabia, which is seen as hallowed ground by Muslims.
> > >
> > > I take this from translations of speeches by Osama Bin Laden, which
are
> > > much more available from European sources, eg the UK press, then they
> > > are from US sources.
> > >
> > > Many Americans are perhaps deceived by the focus in the US press on
> > > other Arab nations that are extremely vocal in their opposition to
> > > Israel and, accordingly, to its strong ally the US. Most of these
> > > governments are, in fact, supportive of the US due to our protection
of
> > > Kuwait against Iraq, but they are not democracies, and therefore also
> > > allow anti-American feelings among their (mostly down-trodden) people
to
> > > continue bubbling up, diverting attention from their own regimes.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > DanG
> > >
> > >
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