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Great thoughts and comments on this thread. It can be maintained
that it is not whether there is statistical evidence to support
cause and effect relative to the usefulness of any astro based trading
trading system. Rather, and more importantly it is the users
SINCERE BELIEF in the efficacy of an astro trading system. Their
beliefs enable them to psychologically 'pull the trigger' on trades; while
the real reason for their success may lie in their unconscious intuitive
analysis of the market at those times. For example, how often have
we heard that a system can be profitable based on random entries?
Also, I have yet to read about any STAND ALONE astro trading
system; meaning that other factors are included in the decision making
process. Hence, the astro trading system may work for some based on their
beliefs; while it may not work for others that may require a different form
of rational based on simpler logic and common sense.
Chas
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Roos <rosewood@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] DA MOON
>Ira:
>
>I can easily see that significant moon effects upon trading are possible
and
>may even be useful adjuncts to one's methods. However, the point of the
>note was that moon effects do not give support to other astral claims,
based
>solely on anecdotal evidence.
>
>As far as belief is concerned, it can have a powerful effect upon our
>activities. But as an analogy, belief in the possible effect of a drug or
>therapy in medicine can be a powerful factor in healing and something that
>makes research more difficult as well. But in general, it is only 20%
>effective: it is called the placebo effect. Just as most of us would not
>place our care in the hands of a placebo effect, it should also be the case
>that we should use great care in placing our dollars into situations in
>which belief and anecdotal information is the guiding star of the approach.
>Now if one had a system or spreadsheet showing trades based upon specific
>rules for entry and exit, and one could see that say, 8 out of 10 times
when
>Mars entered Taurus, the trade was profitable, then I would be able to look
>more closely to such a technique. We can all think of stories of
>association of events, but belief that they were directly related will not
>consider coincidence as unrelated events.
>
>Norman:
>
>I believe Mars has a two year orbit, which puts it visually within Taurus
>much more often than the 9 yr cattle cycle. Do you keep a spreadsheet of
>trades for these types of events using specific rules for entry and exit so
>that you know what your probabilities in the future for such trades are?
>
>Sincerely,
>Don
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ira Tunik" <irat@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:40 AM
>Subject: Re: [RT] DA MOON
>
>
>There are many things in this life that are unexplainable. I do not expect
>a
>scientific answer to many of them. Can you prove there is a God, how the
>universe was created, how man evolved? There are certain things that are
>taken
>on faith and because you want to believe. This does not mean because you
>believe a stock or future will go up or down it will, but if the high
>happens on
>the full moon, 9 out of 10 times I would certainly look to exit the long
>side of
>a trade at the full moon. It may not be science, but it is common sense.
>Ira
>
>Don Roos wrote:
>
>> Ira:
>>
>> The fact that the moon has scientifically measurable and important
>> influences upon us all is indisputable. However, it is a stretch to
>assume
>> that the moon effects can be equated in any way shape or form to astral
>> effects of planets within zodiac signs. Why are we to assume that a
>visual
>> orientation of a particular planet within a zodiac sign has any influence
>> whatsoever on our lives, let alone to have a predictive effect on the
>> markets? Certainly, gravitational effects can and do influence our
>internal
>> ionic structures, as over 60% of the human body is composed of water.
>> However, the gravitational effects of the planets are negligible and the
>> gravitational effects of faraway stars or galaxys infinitely small in
>> comparison to the moon. So if the cause of astral effects presumed to
>occur
>> by visual planetary positions within star patterns is gravitational, we
>will
>> be hard pressed to prove how these visual orientations influence the
>> gravitational field in which we live. If the effects are by some other
>> means, like "the force", then it will be even harder to measure.
>>
>> I continue this discussion in this manner in hopes of receiving some
>> satisfying explanation for the proposed effects of astral influences, not
>by
>> contentiousness, but in a spirit of learning.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ira Tunik" <irat@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "realtraders" <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:48 PM
>> Subject: [RT] DA MOON
>>
>> I am not an asto buff, but I did get the Delta book several years ago.
>> If you were trading the Euro I would have to say that there seems to be
>> a distinct correlation between the highs and lows and the phases of the
>> moon. Each color on a bar is for that specfic moon cycle and the phases
>> are noted below. There are many other futures, stocks and indexes that
>> come up with similar uncanny relationships. This is informational only
>> and I thought it would be of interest to those, like me, who have doubts
>> about the astro influence. Ira.
>>
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