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<font size=3>Mr. Carpenter,<br>
<br>
Your post is totally inappropriate on this Forum and usually
results in an immediate and permanent removal from our listserver.
As a matter of fact, I am still undecided if I will be removing
you. <br>
<br>
If you are new to our Forum, you should have read out introductory
message that was sent to you as confirmation of your membership.
That message stated that advertising is strictly prohibited unless you
follow our predefined guidelines (which stated that you needed to contact
the moderator or administrators for more information), you have
not. I have attached a copy of those "Advertising
Guideline" for your review and I am also sending this post to the
Forum informing them of my communication with you. <br>
<br>
Further, as I stated, my decision as to whether you will be removed is
still undecided....I am sure we will be speaking again.<br>
<br>
John Boggio - RT Moderator<br>
<br>
<br>
At 11:57 AM 6/6/2000 -0700, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>I am a portfolio manager (Chartered Financial
Analyst) with a consistent 5 year + return in excess of 50% annual.
Despite the recent market decline, my year to date return is over 25%. I
employ the combined use of several strict methodologies that consistently
produce superior returns and am looking to work with a well financed
individual or group interested in my management of their portfolio.<br>
<br>
I am willing to provide a comprehensive outline of the methodologies
employed, 5 year audited statements from an actual real dollar portfolio,
and any other desired backup material.<br>
<br>
Please contact me with indications of interest.<br>
<br>
Douglas Carpenter, CFA, CPA<br>
CPACFA@xxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<br>
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<font size=3>Realtraders, <br>
<br>
As many of you know, we have had problems in the past
regarding a member(s) who were blatantly advertising a product or service
through the RealTrader's Email Forum. We apologize to all our members who
have had to read such posts and the subsequent follow-up messages.
Therefore, in an attempt to avoid such situations in the future, please
read the below messages regarding advertising.<br>
<br>
Please note, these policies were first written nearly 4 years ago
(with only a slight change in verbiage) but still apply today.<br>
<br>
Thank you, <br>
John Boggio - RT Moderator<br>
PS The below message is broken up into two parts. <br>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <br>
Part I<br>
RealTraders:<br>
<br>
If you sell a trading related product or service of some kind and
are a participant in the discussions on RealTraders, please refrain from
using this forum as a way to sell your product without first reading our
Advertising Guideline To Vendors (see below). A violation of
our advertising policy could result in a termination your membership in
this Forum.<br>
<br>
Note, we don't want to create an atmosphere of paranoia with
respect to subtle differences when it comes to the method of posting such
messages to the Forum. But we can't help but notice the number of
complaints we have received from RealTrading members. This is incredibly
unfair to the other vendors/members on this list who follow both the
letter and spirit of our policy and we commend those vendors for their
restraint. <br>
<br>
<br>
Anyway, if you're a member who wants this discussion to stay clean
of advertising, then please support our efforts by letting us know about
blatant attempts to bypass our advertising policies. Further, to those
vendors who we continually receive complaints about, you will be notified
of such and this will act as a warning to you. If we continue to receive
subsequent complaints OR BLATANT ADVERTISEMENTS, we will be forced to
permanently remove you from our Forum.<br>
<br>
PART II - Guidelines to the Vendors<br>
<br>
RealTraders,<br>
<br>
In an attempt to accommodate all members (and vendors) in this
Forum, we have created<br>
guidelines to assist RealTraders who are <b>genuinely</b> trying to
"educate" the members of this <br>
Forum about a methodology, system, software program or service that is
for sale or has the potential to be <br>
sold. The reason for this is that we don't want to snuff out
information that RealTrading members may find useful, just because there
is a commercial product associated with it. <br>
<br>
Therefore, here is our policy about commercialism in RealTraders:
<br>
1) <b><u>No one is allowed to post blatant commercial messages on
RealTraders. <br>
There is, nor will there be any change to this rule in the
future.</b></u> <br>
<br>
2) <b>Very Important</b>: Since RealTraders is about traders
educating and learning from each other, the ban on commercial messages
should not impinge upon the flow of information that is potentially
educational. Therefore, you can post messages of an <b>educational
nature</b>, whether or not you have a product <br>
associated with it, <u>as long as you maintain the intent of educating
people and/or communicating useful information</u>. However, please read
point #3 directly below as to the <b>only acceptable method</b> of making
reference to your product or service.<br>
<br>
3. <b><u>YOUR METHOD OF INFORMING OTHER REALTRADERS ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT OR
SERVICE IS EITHER THROUGH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS OR THE WEB ADDRESS OF YOUR
HOMEPAGE . </b></u>THIS URL SHOULD SIMPLY BE PLACED BELOW YOUR SIGNATURE
AND <b><u>NO</b></u> REFERENCE SHOULD BE MADE TO IT OR YOUR PRODUCT OR
SERVICE. WE HAVE AN INTELLIGENT GROUP OF TRADERS IN THIS FORUM, AND THEY
ARE SMART ENOUGH TO GO TO THE URL IF THEY WANT FURTHER INFORMATION.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Note: If you wish to post messages on RealTraders which refer to
a product or service that you have available for sale, but you're not
sure whether you're falling within the guidelines, here are some tips to
follow before hitting the send button: <br>
<br>
1) Always try to post signals from your system on RealTraders, IN ADVANCE
OF THE EXPECTED MOVE, or give a current market analysis of your
projection. That is information that many members will find useful and
interesting. But remember, you must remain educational with respect to
your forecast/analysis.<br>
<br>
2) You must describe your methodology. How does it work? How can other
people apply it right now? Keeping in mind that you are trying to educate
us. Suggestion, consider writing up an explanation of your methodology or
"How to use and interpret it" and include it at the bottom of
your post.<br>
<br>
3) <b>Important</b>: If your product is a ‘BLACK BOX’ type, whose
methodology you don't want to reveal, then DON'T bother talking about it
on RealTraders. Doing so will constitute a blatant advertisement.<br>
<br>
4) Be factual and quantitative in describing your methodology. Don't use
a lot of adjectives or hyperbole which are telltale signs of commercial
posts.<br>
<br>
5) Be coldly objective and point out both the pros and cons. If you tell
us only what's good about your methodology, then you sound like you're
trying to sell us something. Tell us the drawbacks and what we have to be
careful about as well. (You will get more respect from everybody if you
do this anyway).<br>
<br>
6) Past performance statistics are the fuel that propels most system
advertising; much of it is B.S. Therefore, you aren't doing us a big
favor by featuring it in your post. You will impress us, however, if you
<br>
post real time signals! <br>
<br>
7) Rule of thumb: The amount of practical and useful information, or lack
thereof, in your post is inversely proportional to the probability that
your message will be viewed as being commercial in nature. <br>
<br>
<b><u>NOTE</b></u>: Members who reply to vendors have an
important role to play as well. If individuals become curious and seek
more information regarding a product, please begin/continue your
discussions with that individual using THE PRIVATE EMAIL CHANNELS. Thus
keeping any "sales" communication off of <br>
RealTraders. <br>
<br>
<b>So essentially what does all this mean</b>. If you are a
vendor, you are going to have to be willing to share, educate and
instruct your fellow members on RealTraders with respect to your
methodology and forecasts. This includes being open about what
indicator or oscillators you are using and how one would interpret
them. This might not sound fair but then again this Forum is
privately owned and you are essentially getting free publicity, but at a
price of being more open then you have ever been regarding your system or
service. And then, all you get to do is list your URL link below
your name. In return, you get to educate your fellow traders in hopes
that they will some day buy or join your service. <b>No teasers of any
sort will be allowed</b>. <b>Be willing to share or don't bother
trying to sell your product in this Forum!<br>
<br>
</b> Finally, since there is a constant addition to the members
list of RealTraders, we will be reposting this message on a regular
basis. <br>
<br>
Thank you, <br>
John Boggio <br>
Hyrum Paulsen<br>
<br>
Special thanks to JW, Eddie Kwong and Ed Kasanjian for their contribution
to this <br>
policy change. <br>
<br>
<br>
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Subject: [RT] Re: June 8th "Significant Market Move" ?
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Status:
I have subscribed to her newletter for one quarter now and honestly I have
not made one dime off her predictions. I will be watching the 8th and 9th
for a large move to the downside. The proof is in what the market does on
those two days. If it fails to go down it will be another convincing sign
she is merely guessing at these days and I could guess just as easily. Happy
trading.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jpilleafe@xxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 2:49 PM
Subject: [RT] Re: June 8th "Significant Market Move" ?
> In a message dated 6/6/00 2:33:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tesla@xxxxxxx
> writes:
>
> << Rebecca Nolan is predicting big down day on the 8th >>
>
> Hello,
>
> Another reason in my mind to expect a rally. Ha.
>
> Has anyone found Rebecca Nolan's work to be tradeable?
> Anyone made money trading off predicted directions on turn dates?
> I would be curious. I have not found her work to be useable.
> I receive promotional mailings with all sorts of predictions.
> And as with most advisory service publications,...despite being
> seemingly specific, the forecasts seem rather undependable in my opinion.
>
> Also Norman's post : "you may want to mark June 8-9 on your trading
> calendars for a significant market move." isn't very specific for what he
> would expect either. Norman, would you expect that such a significant
> market move would be to the upside or the downside? Thanks in adance.
>
> Regards, JIM Pilliod
>
>
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