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[RT] Re: Advice: Draw-Downs for S&P Day Trading System



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> My daytrading system for the S&P 500 must be in a draw-down... is
> there any data, studies, or information in general about how long a
> draw-down period should last?  

Until it stops.  :-)

Seriously, I very much doubt there's any general data about this.  
It's going to be very dependent on the trading methodology.  Some 
systems are very sensitive to market volatility, and may improve or 
degrade with increased volatility.  Tight MM stops can make you more 
susceptable to losses unless your system picks excellent entries.

Have you gone back and carefully studied the system's past history?  
Is this drawdown really out-of-character for the system?  The dollar 
amount may be higher, but that might be because of the increased 
volatility.  Is the actual pattern of losses unprecedented?  Look 
closely at the trade-by-trade performance.  Looking just at the 
system report can give you a "view from 50,000 feet" that misses out 
on all the pain and drawdowns you would have suffered during actual 
trading.

> Although the last 5 trading days in March didn't work out very
> well for me (that's when my draw-downs started) I still made ...

Sounds like you've been having an excellent run.  I think you're on 
the right track to stop trading until your system gets back on its 
feet again.  Spend the time testing and trying to find what's gone 
wrong with your system.  When the system seems to be recovering, you 
might want to start out with reduced leverage.  Given your monthly 
ROI figures, I suspect you're leveraging it pretty aggressively.

> (My research shows an optimum stop placement to be
> 4.8 points in the S&P -- Risking $1,200 per trade).

Again, this is going to be very dependent on individual systems, and 
on how those systems respond to market conditions.  Volatility has 
been going through the roof lately, so maybe that stop is too tight 
now.  Have you been getting stopped out a lot, only to have the 
market turn and go the direction you expected?  Try backtesting a 
larger MM stop to see how it works for the last few weeks and the 
last few months.  Maybe you should scale your MM stop (and/or other 
system parameters) based on recent volatility so it can adapt to 
changing market conditions.

If you develop a system over a sufficiently long time period (I 
prefer at least 100-150 trades in a test), you ought to capture 
enough different market conditions that you can be reasonably 
confident of the system's performance in future conditions.  Try to 
develop robust systems, i.e. ones that have few optimized parameters 
and that perform well even on less-than-optimal parameter choices.  
That reduces the chances of curve-fitting the system to past market 
behavior.  It's a very good idea to test the system's out-of-sample 
performance to see how it holds up on unseen data; e.g. optimize the 
system on 1998 data and see how it performs in 1999.  

And hold your breath, and hope your system recovers...
Gary