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Andre Franklin wrote:
> I hate to get involved in such petty squabbles, but this time I simply
> cannot remain a bystander. I too have services to sell and find it
> unfair when I comply with the rules...and others feel no need to do so.
> Should I now begin to break the rules and hope that I am not "singled
> out" as an offender?
>
> Allow me to put a few things into perspective:...
>
>
> 3. Mr. Winski has gone far beyond blatant advertising...both on the
> forum and also through thinly disguised spam to list members. After
> receiving an unsolicited sales pitch from Mr. Winski by email, I
> privately asked him to stop. Even my written request for him to stop
> didn't stop him as I received yet another sales pitch!!! (The moderators
> were sent documented evidence of this over a month ago). Either Mr.
> Winski doesn't understand plain English, or, he finds himself above the
> privacy rights of others...you choose which. I often wonder how many
> others RT'ers have received an unsolicited offer (i.e. - thinly
> disguised sales pitch) to "help" from Mr. Winski?
NW: Hold on there Mr Franklin! It was a nice balancing act, but now
you have fallen off the tight wire.
I NEVER send out promotional informaton via e-mail unless someone has
indicated
that they want such information. My records show that you requested
information April, 1999
and that I sent you my two promotional e-mails April 20, 1999. I haven't
sent you these e-mails since then. As per the copy of your request for
information on Gann and Brad Cowen below, I did sent you a personal reply
with some related information in the spirit of giving you my honest answer
to your request for information. That was on Dec.15, 1999. You got huffy
and told me not to send you any more informaton, with which I complied, as I
have not sent you anything since that day..
Mr. Franklin, do you have any records of my sending you any private e-mails
that were not posted publically on RT since Dec. 15, 1999?
Here is the quote from your RT post requsting information in Dec.
1999.
Mr. Franklln says: "I realize that there will be different answers to the
above
depending on one's trading style, etc. Still...I'd be greatly appreciative
to
anyone that will "take the gloves off" and share "from the gut" regarding
Cowen. I'd prefer someone that is not connected to Cowen in any
way."
NW: With your "I'd prefer someone that is not connected with Cowan in any
way" for a review of his
work is when I sent you my views (I took off the gloves and shared from the
gut") . You ask for my vews and I sent them to you. .I also replied to you,
"Andre,
> >
> > Per your impressions below and what I implied before, let me
know when
> > you are ready to cut through the BS and get to the essence. I could
teach you
> > just about everything you need to know in one year and save you five
years of
> > frustration. Did you see the turning dates I posted on RT for
Soybeans? The
> > last one was for a short term high on Dec. 7, which I posted in
November. Dec. 7
> > was the high, 489 basis March. Monday, March Beans traded down to 453
1/4 for a
> > difference of more than 35 cents or $1,750 per contract in one week.
Please
> > note that the margin on one Soybean contract is $1500. Therefore, it
would take
> > 10 Soybean contracts to equal one S&P 500 E-Mini. That means if one
wanted the
> > same equivalent risk in Soybeans as one S&P 500 E-Mini one would have
sold short
> > 10 Soybean contracts on Dec. 7. The 35 cent price move on this
hypothetical
> > position would equal $17,500 profit. The next date is Dec. 22, when I
expect a
> > short term low. Stay tuned.
> > Trading every two weeks sure beats day trading.
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> >
> > Norman
> >
> > P.S. The Feds want me to tell you that past performance is no guarantee
of
> > future results. <G>
Then out of the blue, you send me
"...I'm only seeking information from Cowen students
> regarding Cowen's material. If you have an opinion to offer on Cowen
> without trying to sell me something...I'd love to hear it. Otherwise...I
> will ask for your services if and when I require them."
>
I think you are really crossing the line in regard to the true purpose
> of RT. It's OK to make your occupation known to the group. It's not OK
> to actively pursue selling to members without their direct or implied
> consent. Were my post asking for the kind of services you offer...I
> would not have a problem with your "unasked-for" commercial pitch. It's
> even more inexcusable when I plainly stated in my last message to you
> "...I'm really looking to hear from those that have nothing to sell". I
> do not know how to say it more plainly than this, but I'll try...
>
> Please do not solicit me directly or indirectly anymore.
>
NW replied,
"Andre,
Kewl! I was just trying to help you. I wasn't pitching to you to get
your
business. Too bad you are so suspcious. I have been studying Gann for 20
years and
Astrology for 29 years. BC is a relatively new kid on the block. If you
like, I will
recommend someone with approximately the same number of years experience
but much more
knowledgeable (someone other than me). Ok, let's try this. Go learn
Astrology and
don't give me a dime. You can study on your own. In one month you will know
more than
your idol BC.
Best Wishes,
Norman
P.S. I did read his first book, so I know what I am talking about..."
> So you can see, I offered to refer Mr. Franklin to someone else and not
> make any money. My first concern was seeing that he got pointed in the
> right direction. Too bad Mr. Franklin didn't want to llisten. I also
> recommeded buying March Soybeans on Dec. 22 Here is the data for Dec. 22.
> Open High Low Close
> S0H 4654 4734 4654 4724
This past week, I sold March Soybeans at 506. Even if you bought at the
high of Dec. 22, you would
have made $1,625 before commissions. Did I ask any money for this
information? No, I gave it out
freely. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. I may be slow, but after
getting whacked a few times, I usually catch on. I is kinda smart like that
ya know.
If people will stop attacking me, I will crawl back into my cave, and
we can all get back to work.
Mr. Franklin says, "On a personal note, I go ballistic when I hear folks
defend themselves
by saying, "Everyone else does it" as if the rules are wrong. The rules
are not wrong Mr. Winski...they are simply rules. Accept them and
participate...or reject them and leave. "I'm being singled out" is not
only untrue, it diverts attention from the facts - was a rule violated
or not? (We wouldn't want to confuse anyone with the facts, would we?"
NW: Then, Mr. Franklin, why are you always plugging your
"WickedTrader, LLC.
http://www.wickedtrader.com";?
If you aren't advertising, why can't you just
sign your name? Wicked Trader? Maybe Saaaaaaatan made you do it? <G>
I'm certain that most RT'ers would have forgiven all if a simple "I'm
sorry" were offered instead of all the "twisting and turning" we
received showing why the rule need not be obeyed. Also, no one has an
inherent right to blatantly advertise in RT regardless of their
contribution.
NW: You are breaking the rules right now by taking up my time and everyone
else on RT with non-trading issues. You advertise and now you are wasting
time crying about stuff not related to the markets. What's the matter, is
your index finger broken? You can't hit the delete key when you see my name?
I would be the very first to come to Mr. Winski's defense with regard to
him having made significant contributions to the group. Personalities,
egos, and politics aside...I would greatly miss Winski's wit, insight,
and astro twist were he gone.
NW: But?
Were I the moderator, I'd normally cut off
such a rebellious member immediately. Still, I cannot deny the value of
Mr. Winski contribution to the group over time...and believe that a
suspension of privileges for a short time - along with a written apology
from Mr. Winski - may be in order here. I suspect, somehow, that Mr.
Winski has been previously warned about such things in the past...in
which case outright termination from the group may serve justice best.
It's the moderator's call of course.
NW: Obviously you wouldn't miss me enough not to shoot me. Thanks for the
compliments,
but your "BUT" is way too big. Your compliments just sound like political
BS to me. Its like the Governor saying that he had gotten to know the
condemned, found a good side to him, thought
he was a changed person, but let's fry the guy anyway. That way he can
appeal to all sides.
I apologize to the group for such a long "non-trading" related
post...but if no one fights commercialization of RT...we might as close
down RT and frequent the public newsgroups instead.
NW: What ever happened to Larry McMillian, Walt Downs, and Kramer etc. How
many professionals can you name that were here and now are gone?
An Open Note to Mr. Winski: Please tell us that you are joking about the
realtraders email address being a promo for RealTraders.
NW: No, that time I was serious. Miracles do happen.
My Oxford American Dictionary says advertise:
"to make known". Therefore, any public display of a name is advertising.
I have never
seen RealTraders use the forum to promote itself. If an email address in
their own name is against their own rules, you not only don't understand
the rules, but you have probably been smoking some illegal substance.
> >
> 4. Mr. Winski has eliminated any possibility of selling to RT'ers that
> value
> integrity in those they do business with. By agreeing to the rules when
> signing on as an RT list member...and then willfully and conscientiously
> violate those rules with an extreme unrepentant and unapologetic
> attitude....Mr. Winski has graciously given us all the business
> reference we'd ever need about himself.
NW: Really? I had a few more good stories about my market experiences. Too
bad.
You can read about them when my book comes out. <G>
>
> An Open Note To The Moderators: If no action is taken on this, how many
> offenses must one commit before action is taken...and how severe must
> the violation be?
NW: I don't know, but you seem to be pushing the envelope.
>
> Norman Winski
angelictrader, LLC, LTD, INC, CAT, DOG, ETC <G>
http://www.angellictrader.noncom
batteries not included
P.S. I am in no way affiiltiated or associated with the wickedtrader, Mr.
Franklin, his friends or family.
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