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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>M. G.,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here is my suggestion.&nbsp; Find or develop a 
trading system that you can verify, through backtesting, that has a positive 
expectancy of profit.&nbsp; I recommend EOD trading rather than 
daytrading.&nbsp; Remember that 100 test cases proving you have a good system 
has an uncertainty of 10%.&nbsp; Once you are satisfied you have the system to 
trade, develop a trading plan that outlines exactly what you are going to do to 
trade this system.&nbsp; There are many books out there that talk to developing 
a plan.&nbsp; I recommend Van Tharp's book on trading.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With $10,000 you need to remember that you cannot 
risk very much with each trade, so stick with markets that are 
appropriate.&nbsp; You are starting out at a big disadvantage with such a small 
starting equity.&nbsp; You need to do a lot of analysis to prove that your 
system won't make you go bust.&nbsp; I've done it with a small account, but my 
system doesn't take big risks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The statistics for futures daytraders is pretty 
sobering.&nbsp; A lot wash out.&nbsp; Therefore my recommendation to start out 
with End of Day trading.&nbsp; If you can't make a go of EOD, don't move to 
daytrading thinking that will do the trick.&nbsp; It will only get 
worse!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope this helps.&nbsp; Just one man's opinion 
..&nbsp; Marlowe</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: [RT] RE: RE: Pre-processing for Neural Nets
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:21:41 -0000
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Thanks for the reply Mark.

You wrote:
"You can use wavelet's, but that is more than mere temporal compression, as
wavelet's also perform partial frequency analysis.  Do you want to dissect a
signal into various time-localized frequency components?  If not, use
vanilla temporal compression."

For me and any others who might be having difficulty with this first
sentence or so of your reply let me say some of it back. It may or may not
make sense after being filtered by my brain... :-)

I can use a wavelet transform to encode say X daily closes in Y wavelet
coefficients each representing the relative strength of a particular wavelet
"size" (ie length in time) at the point where the input ends...Each
coefficient in turn only represents fluctuation in the input at a higher
frequency than the last - ie the same frequency information is not presented
as output by more than one of the coefficients (??)

Whereas, if I used Y streams of the same daily closes sampled at Y different
rates (to notionally achieve the same effect) I would in practice be
presenting similar frequency information but getting some overlap in the
process...In other words its not "wrong" it just presents redundant
frequency information when compression and independence of each input is at
a premium (ie input to a neural net).

Close...or incoherent rambling?

Regards,

Robert

P.S. For general group interest I gleaned from an old email from Bob Brickey
on the Tradelab list (and elsewhere) that a useful book on this stuff is
Timothy Masters' "Neural,Novel and Hybrid Algorithms for Time Series
Prediction". Someone also recommended Murray Ruggeiro's "Cybernetic
Trading...".  No doubt Mark Jurik's other book "Neural Networks and
Financial Forecasting" would also be interesting.