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Darrin Vernier wrote:

> Norman has an analog clock with hands that say 3:00.
> Bryce has a digital clock that says 3:00.
>
> Can you choose which one is right, or is there a different way of looking at
> this?
>
>                                            With Utmost Respect,
>                                            Darrin
>
> P.S. Unleash the hounds...

Darrin,

   Sorry, I don't understand how your metaphor or analagy relates to the current
attack by Bryce on me?  A more apropriate analogy would be:  Bryce says, "anyone
who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.  Therefore,
Norman is a coo coo. By the way, my clock says it is time to for everyone to
check out my website where I have the latest line of clocks."

CooCooingly,

Norman

>
>
> >From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>        bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:46:17 -0800
> >
> >  Ref:
> >
> >  > http://www.eGroups.com/group/get_traders/146.html?
> >  >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >  To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> >  Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> >
> >  > BG: I am not a member of realtraders but it will be interesting to see
> >if they
> >  > publish this.
> >  > Bryce.
> >  >
> >  NW: Unfortunately for you Bryce, you got your wish. I shall now prove
> >  that you don't know what you are talking about which will surely
> >  reduce or erase your credibility as a supposed Gann expert. Please
> >  see the rest of my reply after Bryce's post.
> >
> >  > Bryce Gilmore wrote:
> >
> >            To Real Traders,
> >  >
> >  > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> >  trust you
> >  > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> >  >
> >  > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
> >  don't
> >  know
> >  > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> >  >
> >  > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
> >  which bus
> >  > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
> >  freak
> >  only
> >  > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
> >  >
> >  > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way of
> >  exciting
> >  > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about he
> >  would
> >  be
> >  > a little less careless with his statements.
> >  >
> >  > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> >  resistance
> >  and
> >  > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time periods
> >  between
> >  > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the options
> >  become
> >  > limitless.
> >  >
> >  > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> >  astrology
> >  > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman W
> >  who
> >  claim
> >  > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
> >  able to
> >  > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the  astrology
> >  aspect
> >  > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> >  >
> >  > Hope this is of use to your group.
> >  > regards,
> >  > Bryce Gilmore.
> >
> >  NW:     I will now refer you and the list to a book that is commonly
> >  available. Please retrieve a copy of Perry Kaufman's Trading Systems
> >  & Methods, Copyright 1978, published by John Wiley & Sons, ISBN
> >  0-471-03569-6. Please turn to page 202 where Kaufman shows a copy of
> >  Gann's famous 1948 Soybean chart. Bryce, you see just to the right of
> >  the left hand price axis, between 260 and 264? What is that curvey
> >  funny looking "4" ? Could it be the glyph for Jupiter? Oh, you don't
> >  think so? Ok, there is another funny 4 just a little bit higher and
> >  about two inches to the right. This one has that funny 4 followed by
> >  a "30" and an arrow pointing up and to the right. Bruce, if you knew
> >  any Astrology, you would know that means that the funny looking 4 is
> >  the glyph for Jupiter, the 30 means 30 degrees, an the arrow is the
> >  glyph for the zodiacal sign Sagittarius. Still don't believe it? Just
> >  check an ephemeris (table of planetary
> >  tables - translated for pseudo Gann experts like Bryce) and you will
> >  see that Jupiter was actually at that position at the time the chart
> >  was drawn.  To make a long analysis short, this type of stuff is all
> >  over that chart. Jupiter, Mars, signs, etc. So, if Gann didn't use
> >  Astrology, why did he bother to have hand drawn all those intricate
> >  Astrological symbols on his Soybean chart? Oh, by the way, he shows
> >  Mars
> >  forming a conjunction with Jupiter right at the top of the Soybean
> >  market. Gann's former partner, JC, with whom I spoke with, said Gann
> >  went short there based on Astrology. JC also said that Gann was
> >  "primarily Astrological". I later had JC confirmed as the real deal
> >  by Billy Jones and Phyllis Kahn, both who were respected Gann experts
> >  long before anyone had ever heard of a "Bryce". You can also read my
> >  essay, "What You Need To Know About W.D. Gann"  on this subject which
> >  was published with a copy of Gann's Soybean chart with Astrological
> >  indications all over it. As you can see from Kaufman's book, I didn't
> >  plant those Astrological symbols on the chart. My essay was published
> >  in Traders's World Magazine circa 1988 and is now offered as part of
> >  their archive collection. You can check their website,
> >  <http://www.tradersworld.com> find the archive index, and you will
> >  see my name in issue #3 for "W.D. Gann and Astrology by Norman
> >  Winski"..
> >      So Bryce, I don't expect you to be transformed overnight. But,
> >  perhaps if you do your homework, sometime in the near future, you
> >  will realize the errors of your ways and decide to study Astrology. I
> >
> >  may even consider accepting you as my student. Then, you may be able
> >  to honestly call yourself a Gann expert. Let me know how it goes.
> >       Oh, if you thought the Soybean chart was just a one time fluke,
> >  I have alot more of Gann's stuff with Astrological references. I
> >  think you must have missed of few of my posting here. Try not to miss
> >  class in the future. <G>
> >
> >  Cosmically,
> >
> >  Norman Winski
> >
> >  P.S. Bryce, membership in Realtraders is free, if you are a real
> >  trader. <G> Oh  my gosh! I just checked out Bryce's wavetrader
> >  website, http://www.wavetrader.com ( nice plug, huh Bryce?) and found
> >  the following.
> >
> >  "Planetary Research Module: Programmed into the Software.
> >
> >        Bryce's new book gives you the methodology and the software
> >  gives you the
> >        ways and means to research the effect of planetary phenomenon
> >  on
> >        markets!"
> >
> >    So Bryce, why are you using Astrology in your trading products and
> >  then criticizing me for using it? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
> >  Case closed!  Bryce, nice joke, guess you were just pullin my chain
> >  huh?
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >  To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> >  Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> >
> >  > To Real Traders,
> >  >
> >  > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> >  trust you
> >  > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> >  >
> >  > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
> >  don't
> >  know
> >  > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> >  >
> >  > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
> >  which bus
> >  > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
> >  freak
> >  only
> >  > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
> >  >
> >  > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way of
> >  exciting
> >  > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about he
> >  would
> >  be
> >  > a little less careless with his statements.
> >  >
> >  > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> >  resistance
> >  and
> >  > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time periods
> >  between
> >  > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the options
> >  become
> >  > limitless.
> >  >
> >  > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> >  astrology
> >  > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman W
> >  who
> >  claim
> >  > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
> >  able to
> >  > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the  astrology
> >  aspect
> >  > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> >  >
> >  > Hope this is of use to your group.
> >  > regards,
> >  > Bryce Gilmore.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > > From: "nwinski" nwinsk-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >  > > To: vaugh00-@xxxxxxx
> >  > > Cc: realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >  > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:59 PM
> >  > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > vaugh00-@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >  > > >
> >  > > > > Of the several texts that address Gann's methods , which does
> >  the
> >  best
> >  > > job
> >  > > > > teaching  the subject .  What are the groups thoughts ?
> >  thanks  tom
> >  > > vaughan
> >  > > >
> >  > > >   Tom,
> >  > > >
> >  > > >      Here is my Gann test. If the teacher doesn't know
> >  Astrology, they
> >  > > don't
> >  > > > know Gann. That should
> >  > > > eliminate a good portion of the Gann teachers and authors.
> >  > > >
> >  > > >      Here is my Gann tip. Don't bother trying to learn Gann
> >  until you
> >  > have
> >  > > a
> >  > > > very good foundation in the basic principles of Astrology.
> >  > > >
> >  > > >     You are welcome to contact me by private e-mail if you have
> >  > questions,
> >  > > want
> >  > > > more information, or want to share some very funny jokes.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Co(s)mically,
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Norman
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > P.S. You will need a good sense of humor if you want to study
> >  Gann's
> >  > > writings.
> >  > > > He loves to play with
> >  > > > your brain. <G>
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > >
> >  >
> >
> >  >
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