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Hi again, Bryce
I am not a shrink, I just tried to be as diplomatic as possible, given your
gracious ways :-))
Otherwise, I collect dropped pennies since 1982, in about every market there is,
worldwide. So don't worry for me, I know what I am doing, and am all right.
Good continuation in your trading, and remember nobody is perfect, everyone is
tested to his/her limits in his/her lifetime. Like in car racing, this provides
for interesting experiences with the wall when you get too cosy with it... At
those times, our little beliefs, attitudes and convictions don't weigh too much.
Iamgine all this from the perspective of having your head chopped off. Once you
can relive that sort of experience, the rest becomes quite relative, believe me.
Gwenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Tr: GANN/GILMORE {02}
>
> > Sophie, send this...
> >
> > Interesting you say what you say Gwen, you sound a little like a
> > professional shrink, I don't doubt my abilities and I don't doubt my
> ability
> > to teach anyone. The real problem is the student is not ready and just
> > sabotages himself or complains that he was not taught the way he wanted,
> > this is the students problem not the teacher, if the student had a brain
> he
> > would ask questions until he got the message, the problem as I see it is
> > that too many students just complain about everything, they wouldn't have
> a
> > clue how to do it for themselves.
> >
> > regards,
> > Bryce.
> >
> > PS: One day the penny will drop if you have the "street sense" required to
> > trade the markets, if you don't all you will do is talk about it.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: bryce <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:17 AM
> > Subject: Tr: [RT] Tr: GANN/GILMORE {02}
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Gwenael Gautier <ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; List RT
> <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] Tr: GANN/GILMORE {02}
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello again Bryce,
> > > >
> > > > Don't be mad. If you were lucky enough to know success from the start,
> > be
> > > aware
> > > > this is not the usual route in any endeavour, as you may surely know
> > from
> > > your
> > > > own trials in other activities. Be also aware, that past success is
> not
> > a
> > > > guarantee of future immunity from failure. In fact not knowing of
> > failure
> > > makes
> > > > you vulnerable to not recognizing the warning telltale signals, and
> may
> > > not be a
> > > > positive for anyone seeking to entrust large funds to trade. Be also
> > aware
> > > that
> > > > doubt is a key part of the learning process. You cannot make things
> your
> > > own by
> > > > just accepting them. You have first to doubt to find the arguments
> that
> > > will
> > > > convince yourself, so please allow for people to doubt, and just show
> > some
> > > > empathy, compassion and tolerance. It will only improve your teaching
> > > skills,
> > > > and make yourself more accessible to your students. You should read
> "the
> > > > greatest salesman in the world" and its sequel by Ogd Mandino. Very
> > > interesting
> > > > in that respect.
> > > >
> > > > Lastly you complain about others (ignorant) trashing your work and
> > > beliefs.
> > > > Don't trap yourself in the plot by doing the same. The best proof is
> > > silence and
> > > > action. How about posting some of your (constructive) thoughts on this
> > > forum
> > > > rather than making claims nobody can verify and are only hurting your
> > > > credibility? Actually, I hear you have a list. If so please put me on.
> > > Promise,
> > > > I won't trash..., just listen :-))
> > > >
> > > > Gwenn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sophie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:59 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] GANN/GILMORE {01}
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sophie,
> > > > > > Reply to Gwenn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gwenn I did not start out as a loser, I have been a winner from
> day
> > > one,
> > > > > > that is the point. if you think I am a bastard just go into the
> pits
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > CBOT and find out how many pleasantries you get from the guys who
> > work
> > > > > > there. Get real and learn. Most of the shit you hear in the rooms
> > you
> > > > > > inhabit are designed to rip money out of your pocket. I might be a
> > > > > complete
> > > > > > anomaly but I do try and help people who continually get it in the
> > ass
> > > > > from
> > > > > > brokers, urgers and idealists.
> > > > > > Bryce.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: bryce <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:33 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Tr: [RT] GANN/GILMORE {01}
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Gwenael Gautier <ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:31 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] GANN/GILMORE {01}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know you, Bryce, but the way you respond is not making
> > you
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > publicity. Bragging is not a trait of consistent winning
> > traders,
> > > nor
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > trashing those who wonder about you. If you are good, fine,
> only
> > > you
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > know, but you could have said the same things without needing
> to
> > > > > > > > diminish others. Any winner starts out at a loser first, you
> > > should
> > > > > > > > remember your own losing years and how you felt then before
> > making
> > > fun
> > > > > > > > of people whom you deems are losing, without even knowing. As
> > one
> > > day
> > > > > > > > these might well beat the shit out of you in performance and
> > what
> > > will
> > > > > > > > you say then? Sorry to have abused you, or glad to have met
> you
> > > along
> > > > > > > > the way, sharing a moment on our paths?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You complain about egos, but start dealing with yours. You
> won't
> > > prove
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > anything this way Bryce, except the opposite. Show respect
> > > yourself if
> > > > > > > > you want respect.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gwenn
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sophie wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hello every body Bryce ask me to put this for him, i have
> been
> > > in
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > list for 3 months now, and he isthe only one trader that i
> > know
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > write book and realy trade, and he is telling his trade in
> his
> > > site
> > > > > > > > > for Free, i dont know any one else who do thathe is a
> > brilliant
> > > > > > > > > teacher, and a brilliant trader, as i have folow his trade
> > FREE
> > > for
> > > > > > > > > the last 3 months sophie There are a lot of egos to deal
> with
> > in
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > business, unfortunately guys like SB never have made it or
> are
> > > rank
> > > > > > > > > amateurs. Most of the people I have trained that are
> > successful
> > > are
> > > > > > > > > either working as technical analysts or as private traders.
> Of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > ones that do trade funds and are successful they rarely
> admit
> > > where
> > > > > > > > > they got their increased knowledge of Gann or Elliott
> timing.
> > > Like
> > > > > > > > > every facet of leveraged trading we would have a fall out
> rate
> > > of
> > > > > 75%
> > > > > > > > > who just can't put the information to practical use. I don't
> > let
> > > it
> > > > > > > > > bother me, if they want to take me on head to head I can
> > reduce
> > > them
> > > > > > > > > to a "bumbling mess". Anyway as far as books and software
> > sales
> > > go I
> > > > > > > > > have always had an agent handling that side of my business
> > > activity
> > > > > > > > > and I do enjoy the money it brings in, the agents couldn't
> > sell
> > > it
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > it was not worth the price. And I am prepared to place real
> > time
> > > > > > > > > information of trades I am taking - see how many of your
> real
> > > > > traders
> > > > > > > > > will do that. Guys like Dennis who trade turtles systems
> take
> > > huge
> > > > > > > > > drawdowns to make the money they do, most of the time they
> are
> > > using
> > > > > > > > > other peoples money and take up front fees from the trading
> > > capital
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > make their living. Lots of people come and go into their
> funds
> > > and
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > general many get burnt even though the funds can produce
> > audited
> > > > > > > > > results that look good on the face of it. I know cause I
> have
> > > seen
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > over the years. So tell this guy SB to have a real good look
> > at
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > business and find out how long he has been in it. My opinion
> > is,
> > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > a loser and just needs to try and surround himself with
> other
> > > > > losers,
> > > > > > > > > that's what brokers usually do. Bryce
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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