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There was an article I don't remember which publication, that GANN'S estate
was only worth $100,000 at the time of his death(He was just a salesman,
with some good marketing ideas).. IMO the only people getting rich of his
materials are the "Dream Merchants" they are the modern day snake
salesman... Astrology, magic cycles, Gann, is just a good marketing tool for
the vendors..
You are correct if it was so profitable every mutual fund, or CTA would make
you wealthy in no time, they spend a fortune on research.. Gann is no secret
almost all technicians know the work..
I'm sure all the vendors will come out of the woods defending there bread,
and butter.. Just ask them for a 5 year track record and they will run and
hide, or come up with some B.S.
Just my opinion
> Scot Billington wrote:
>
> > ...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who allegedly made $50
> > million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a fortune of $1.6
billion
> > if it earned 6% from then until now. Where is all this money? Gilmore
has
> > been around selling books, seminars, and programs for over 10 years. He
has
> > obviously sold tons of them as it has kept him alive. Out of all of
those
> > students, why are none of them big time money managers today? I am
looking
> > for one disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I
> > ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt
> > taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the largest
CTAs
> > in the world today. Both the teachers are too. How many gazillions of
> > people have read Gann books and Gilmore's stuff? Are any of them
successful
> > CTAs? Out of all the authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them
> > money managers? Why do they continue to sell books? I could see
selling
> > some to finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the
same.
> > A lot of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little
> > trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be multiple replies
to
> > this talking about the author's 600% return in two weeks after drawing a
> > Gann angle (which by the way crosses different points depending on the
size
> > of your graph paper and how much you assign to each box.). None of
those
> > repliers will have been successful over 10 years. None will have an NFA
> > audited track record. They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of
> > themselves.
> >
> > There are certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the
markets.
> > I am open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.
> > I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind to the
> > possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do not
create
> > an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your successful
examples
> > are the ultimate form of curve fitting.
> >
> > sb
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Thompson <detomps@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:20 AM
> > Subject: [RT] Re: First and Foremost {02}
> >
> > >
> > > Myles,
> > >
> > > I guess the answer is in Gann's Natal chart. To defer to typical
astro
> > > cop out..
> > > All those planets in the 9th house pushing him to get answers to his
> > > questions.
> > >
> > > The point I didn't make is that Gann used both, astrology and
Price-Time
> > > squaring.
> > > If you have the Astrology mastered but not the Price-Time squareing
> > > mastered, you leave yourself vulnerable to Mr. Drawdown, since price
has
> > > the tendancy to invert on Astronomical cycles. And is no way
predictable
> > > in advance. Much to the consernation of most Astro Forecasters.. The
> > > standard stupid answer when astro doesn't work is that, "uuuhhhh it
> > > didn't work this time, must be an inversion"..
> > >
> > > I questioned Gilmore about the soybean chart in Kaufman's book. He
said
> > > that is what got him started. His point, which I will reiterate, it
was
> > > the squaring of time and price that nailed THE TIME of the CIT- NOT
THE
> > > ASTRO in soybeans. I gather from watching the guy call his trades in
> > > public that he uses solar degrees as a TIMING mechanism but only as
> > > part of his arsenal of analysis.
> > >
> > > So once again. When time and price square then there is a change in
> > > trend, Not before. All else is "Tunnel through your Wallet".
> > >
> > > I honestly have no problem with astrology. It has proven itself to
me.
> > > It is the wonderland of Time-Price squaring that holds the second side
> > > of Gann's thesis.
> > > So, at this point in my research career, it is proven to me well
enough
> > > that the Gann man had something else going besides raw astro power in
> > > nailing his trades.
> > >
> > > Conjunctively,
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "myles@xxxxxx" wrote:
> > >
> > > > So Why would Gann bother with astrology if he already had this
> > > > fantastic system worked out?
> > > > Myles Wilson Walker.
> > > >
> > > > Don Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Norman,
> > > > >
> > > > > I recently heard the same thing from Bryce Gilmore, It was his
> > > > > contention that Gann had the price time theory mapped out and
making
> > > > >
> > > > > money before he connected it to Astrology. Gilmore's testing is
> > > > > that
> > > > > any CIT of major import is nailed by precise geometrical
> > > > > relationships,
> > > > > usually 3 to 4 or so. Squaringly,
> > > > >
> > > > > Don
> > > > >
> > > > > nwinski wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adam Hefner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not a Gann expert, but it is my understanding that Gann
> > > > > developed his
> > > > > > > geometry methods early in his career, and didn't use astrology
> > > > > until his
> > > > > > > later years......so I question the "First and foremost".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adam Hefner,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My source of information is someone who was Gann's partner
> > > > > for 10 years and
> > > > > > his father worked with Gann before he did. Both son and father
> > > > > were Astrologers.
> > > > > > What is your source of information?
> > > > > > Anyone read "Tunnel Thru The Air"? It is a gold mine of hidden
> > > > > Astrological
> > > > > > patterns. It tells what Astrological patterns Gann used to trade
> > > > > the markets.
> > > > > > But, you have to know enough Astrology to be able to check out
> > > > > Gann's dates in
> > > > > > an ephemeris. This book has been fully decoded by Bonnie Hill on
> > > > > video via a
> > > > > > lecture she gave about 3 years ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cosmically,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Norman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "nwinski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:03 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: Gen: Keep it quiet. {02}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brent wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have been reading one of Gann's books I'm astounded by
> > > > > just the few
> > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > that I've read in the first 50 pages. I have been writing
> > > > > indicators to
> > > > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > these things and I can't hardly believe my eyes. No one
must
> > > > > actually
> > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > > this stuff. I never hear anyone talk about it. I'm
seriously
> > > > > thinking of
> > > > > > > > > throwing all my old analysis away. I didn't think much
about
> > > > > Gann until
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > figured out how to put Gann angles on charts. After that I
> > > > > could see
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > there might be something to it. I'm just dumbfounded.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Brent,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just wait until you add Astrology to your analysis.
> > > > > First and
> > > > > > > foremost,
> > > > > > > > Gann was an Astrology.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best Wishes,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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