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Ganns earliest actual mention of astrology that I can find was in 1921
(normally he called it natural law)
<BR>he wrote "7 is the fatal number referred to many times in the Bible
and it is ruled by the planet Saturn........The next important time cycle
is 30 years which is caused by the planet Saturn"
<BR>In 1935 Gann wrote"we have astronomical and astrological proof of the
whys and wherefores and the cuases of geometrical angles...."
<BR>All his trades such as the famous "wheat must trade at $1.20 by the
close of trading on the 30th September" (1909) and his annual forecasts
etc are based on provable astronomical cycles/aspects.
<BR>Re this statement <I>I recently heard the same thing from Bryce Gilmore,
It was his contention that Gann had the price time theory mapped out and
making money before he connected it to Astrology. Gilmore's testing
is that any CIT of major import is nailed by precise geometrical relationships,
usually 3 to 4 or so. Squaringly,geometry..</I>.....
<BR>So Why would Gann bother with astrology if he already had this fantastic
system worked out?
<BR>Myles Wilson Walker.
<P>Don Thompson wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Norman,
<P>I recently heard the same thing from Bryce Gilmore, It was his
<BR>contention that Gann had the price time theory mapped out and making
<BR>money before he connected it to Astrology. Gilmore's testing
is that
<BR>any CIT of major import is nailed by precise geometrical relationships,
<BR>usually 3 to 4 or so. Squaringly,
<P>Don
<P>nwinski wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> Adam Hefner wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> > I am not a Gann expert, but it is my understanding that Gann
developed his
<BR>> > geometry methods early in his career, and didn't use astrology
until his
<BR>> > later years......so I question the "First and foremost".
<BR>> >
<BR>> > Adam Hefner,
<BR>>
<BR>> My source of information is someone
who was Gann's partner for 10 years and
<BR>> his father worked with Gann before he did. Both son and father were
Astrologers.
<BR>> What is your source of information?
<BR>> Anyone read "Tunnel Thru The Air"? It is a gold mine of hidden Astrological
<BR>> patterns. It tells what Astrological patterns Gann used to trade
the markets.
<BR>> But, you have to know enough Astrology to be able to check out Gann's
dates in
<BR>> an ephemeris. This book has been fully decoded by Bonnie Hill on
video via a
<BR>> lecture she gave about 3 years ago.
<BR>>
<BR>> Cosmically,
<BR>>
<BR>> Norman
<BR>>
<BR>> >
<BR>> >
<BR>> > ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> > From: "nwinski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>> > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:03 PM
<BR>> > Subject: [RT] Re: Gen: Keep it quiet. {02}
<BR>> >
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Brent wrote:
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > > I have been reading one of Gann's books I'm astounded by just
the few
<BR>> > things
<BR>> > > > that I've read in the first 50 pages. I have been writing indicators
to
<BR>> > test
<BR>> > > > these things and I can't hardly believe my eyes. No one must
actually
<BR>> > read
<BR>> > > > this stuff. I never hear anyone talk about it. I'm seriously
thinking of
<BR>> > > > throwing all my old analysis away. I didn't think much about
Gann until
<BR>> > I
<BR>> > > > figured out how to put Gann angles on charts. After that I
could see
<BR>> > that
<BR>> > > > there might be something to it. I'm just dumbfounded.
<BR>> > > >
<BR>> > > > Brent,
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Just wait until you
add Astrology to your analysis. First and
<BR>> > foremost,
<BR>> > > Gann was an Astrology.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Best Wishes,
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Norman
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > ></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Folks
In all the fairness to Gann, @ least he DID made a million or two?? and
probably DID lost the money as well..
I can @ least be downright honest and say I have not made my million yet...
Please do not say Gann did not made his millions @ his time.. That man
worked very hard for his money.. He spent years doing this w/out the
computers.. To be honest, I must say that there is not one of us here who
could do what he did..
I have met folks who say they were glad they met Ted Williams, his famous
brochures.... They say if it were not for him, they would never have known
about this opportunity...
So, if you have made your million.. Well, congrads! Perhaps, you can teach
someone new or old ??
I do not know about you folks but I sometime go to marketforum.com on
sundays to meet the "speakers".
Talked to George Lane and his famous Stoch... I went there becuz it was
free.. Indeed, I decided not to buy his book..
Was it because I thought it was not worth it?? Not @ all.. It just did not
fit my trading mindset if you will..
Did YOU made your million doing your trading whatever the style it might
be?? All I ,as a realtrader, knows it takes alot of captial and knowledge
and luck to make it in this business and to make my first million..
100,000 is alot of money back in old days.. When my great great grand dad
died.. he was worth zero..and finally, Gann did an audit on his tradings..
"It is true that it is hard to make the first MILLION dollars. But, once you
made your million, the rest seem so easy"quoted by a gambler somewhere on
the internet!
Regards
Gary Bodnar
who does use Gann angles sometimes..
-----Original Message-----
From: Trade <vqualey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:57 PM
Subject: [RT] Re: Where are.... {03}
>
>There was an article I don't remember which publication, that GANN'S estate
>was only worth $100,000 at the time of his death(He was just a salesman,
>with some good marketing ideas).. IMO the only people getting rich of his
>materials are the "Dream Merchants" they are the modern day snake
>salesman... Astrology, magic cycles, Gann, is just a good marketing tool
for
>the vendors..
>
>You are correct if it was so profitable every mutual fund, or CTA would
make
>you wealthy in no time, they spend a fortune on research.. Gann is no
secret
>almost all technicians know the work..
>
>I'm sure all the vendors will come out of the woods defending there bread,
>and butter.. Just ask them for a 5 year track record and they will run and
>hide, or come up with some B.S.
>Just my opinion
>
>
>> Scot Billington wrote:
>>
>> > ...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who allegedly made $50
>> > million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a fortune of $1.6
>billion
>> > if it earned 6% from then until now. Where is all this money? Gilmore
>has
>> > been around selling books, seminars, and programs for over 10 years.
He
>has
>> > obviously sold tons of them as it has kept him alive. Out of all of
>those
>> > students, why are none of them big time money managers today? I am
>looking
>> > for one disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts,
which
>I
>> > ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
>Eckhardt
>> > taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the largest
>CTAs
>> > in the world today. Both the teachers are too. How many gazillions of
>> > people have read Gann books and Gilmore's stuff? Are any of them
>successful
>> > CTAs? Out of all the authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them
>> > money managers? Why do they continue to sell books? I could see
>selling
>> > some to finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the
>same.
>> > A lot of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
>little
>> > trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be multiple replies
>to
>> > this talking about the author's 600% return in two weeks after drawing
a
>> > Gann angle (which by the way crosses different points depending on the
>size
>> > of your graph paper and how much you assign to each box.). None of
>those
>> > repliers will have been successful over 10 years. None will have an
NFA
>> > audited track record. They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of
>> > themselves.
>> >
>> > There are certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the
>markets.
>> > I am open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
>edge.
>> > I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind to the
>> > possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do not
>create
>> > an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your successful
>examples
>> > are the ultimate form of curve fitting.
>> >
>> > sb
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Don Thompson <detomps@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:20 AM
>> > Subject: [RT] Re: First and Foremost {02}
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Myles,
>> > >
>> > > I guess the answer is in Gann's Natal chart. To defer to typical
>astro
>> > > cop out..
>> > > All those planets in the 9th house pushing him to get answers to his
>> > > questions.
>> > >
>> > > The point I didn't make is that Gann used both, astrology and
>Price-Time
>> > > squaring.
>> > > If you have the Astrology mastered but not the Price-Time squareing
>> > > mastered, you leave yourself vulnerable to Mr. Drawdown, since price
>has
>> > > the tendancy to invert on Astronomical cycles. And is no way
>predictable
>> > > in advance. Much to the consernation of most Astro Forecasters.. The
>> > > standard stupid answer when astro doesn't work is that, "uuuhhhh it
>> > > didn't work this time, must be an inversion"..
>> > >
>> > > I questioned Gilmore about the soybean chart in Kaufman's book. He
>said
>> > > that is what got him started. His point, which I will reiterate, it
>was
>> > > the squaring of time and price that nailed THE TIME of the CIT- NOT
>THE
>> > > ASTRO in soybeans. I gather from watching the guy call his trades in
>> > > public that he uses solar degrees as a TIMING mechanism but only as
>> > > part of his arsenal of analysis.
>> > >
>> > > So once again. When time and price square then there is a change in
>> > > trend, Not before. All else is "Tunnel through your Wallet".
>> > >
>> > > I honestly have no problem with astrology. It has proven itself to
>me.
>> > > It is the wonderland of Time-Price squaring that holds the second
side
>> > > of Gann's thesis.
>> > > So, at this point in my research career, it is proven to me well
>enough
>> > > that the Gann man had something else going besides raw astro power in
>> > > nailing his trades.
>> > >
>> > > Conjunctively,
>> > >
>> > > Don
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "myles@xxxxxx" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > So Why would Gann bother with astrology if he already had this
>> > > > fantastic system worked out?
>> > > > Myles Wilson Walker.
>> > > >
>> > > > Don Thompson wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Norman,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I recently heard the same thing from Bryce Gilmore, It was his
>> > > > > contention that Gann had the price time theory mapped out and
>making
>> > > > >
>> > > > > money before he connected it to Astrology. Gilmore's testing is
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > any CIT of major import is nailed by precise geometrical
>> > > > > relationships,
>> > > > > usually 3 to 4 or so. Squaringly,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Don
>> > > > >
>> > > > > nwinski wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Adam Hefner wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I am not a Gann expert, but it is my understanding that Gann
>> > > > > developed his
>> > > > > > > geometry methods early in his career, and didn't use
astrology
>> > > > > until his
>> > > > > > > later years......so I question the "First and foremost".
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Adam Hefner,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > My source of information is someone who was Gann's partner
>> > > > > for 10 years and
>> > > > > > his father worked with Gann before he did. Both son and father
>> > > > > were Astrologers.
>> > > > > > What is your source of information?
>> > > > > > Anyone read "Tunnel Thru The Air"? It is a gold mine of hidden
>> > > > > Astrological
>> > > > > > patterns. It tells what Astrological patterns Gann used to
trade
>> > > > > the markets.
>> > > > > > But, you have to know enough Astrology to be able to check out
>> > > > > Gann's dates in
>> > > > > > an ephemeris. This book has been fully decoded by Bonnie Hill
on
>> > > > > video via a
>> > > > > > lecture she gave about 3 years ago.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Cosmically,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Norman
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > > From: "nwinski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > > > > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:03 PM
>> > > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: Gen: Keep it quiet. {02}
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Brent wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I have been reading one of Gann's books I'm astounded by
>> > > > > just the few
>> > > > > > > things
>> > > > > > > > > that I've read in the first 50 pages. I have been writing
>> > > > > indicators to
>> > > > > > > test
>> > > > > > > > > these things and I can't hardly believe my eyes. No one
>must
>> > > > > actually
>> > > > > > > read
>> > > > > > > > > this stuff. I never hear anyone talk about it. I'm
>seriously
>> > > > > thinking of
>> > > > > > > > > throwing all my old analysis away. I didn't think much
>about
>> > > > > Gann until
>> > > > > > > I
>> > > > > > > > > figured out how to put Gann angles on charts. After that
I
>> > > > > could see
>> > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > > there might be something to it. I'm just dumbfounded.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Brent,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Just wait until you add Astrology to your analysis.
>> > > > > First and
>> > > > > > > foremost,
>> > > > > > > > Gann was an Astrology.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Best Wishes,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Norman
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>
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