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<DIV><FONT size=2>I had some correspondence with Bryce Gilmore and found him to
be an exceedingly rude, opinionated, and egotistical individual ... not the
qualities I look for in a teacher or mentor. Your mileage may vary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:13
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RT] GANN/GILMORE {01}</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>hello every body</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bryce ask me to put this for him, i have been in his list
for 3 months now, and he is</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the only one trader that i know that write book and realy
trade, and he is telling his trade in his site for Free, i dont know any one
else who do that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>he is a brilliant teacher, and a brilliant trader, as i have
folow his trade FREE for the last 3 months</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>sophie</FONT><FONT
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Subject: [RT] Tr: Bryce Gilmore {01}
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:38:05 +0100
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:39 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Bryce Gilmore</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And another one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Bryce Gilmore</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Bryce Gilmore</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seems I am writing this simply to let you know I am
alive and well, I have been getting a few reports from people that say some
members of your group want to denigrate, Gann, Gilmore and Elliott and from what
I have been shown so far they are far from being considered experts in their
field.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would like to just sit in your room and observe
what is going on for a while so I can judge if you have any usefull knowledge
that deals with markets on a day to day basis. In return I promise to give you a
lay down trade that will make money.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You guys take a vote, don't think I will be kind to
critism, and I don't suffer idiots or fools easily, furthermore I hate brokers
who solicit business through these rooms.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: [RT] Henry Havachatex/Bryce Gilmore {01}
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Henry Havachatex</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send them this it did not go through.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Bryce Gilmore</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>RealTraders</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Henry Havachatex</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I got a long email from Sophie relayed from RT
showing your disatisfaction with the GrainTrader site and on top of it making
some assumptions that we considered ourselves GODS. I often wonder why
people who need to learn something make assumptions they know more than the
teacher. If you want some carpentary work just come and knock on my door, before
I trust you I will want to see some previous work you did. Anyone who mentions
my name in despatches on the net is going to be subject to a reply from me. The
first thing anyone heard about you in GrainTraders was when you rudely announced
you were leaving. Did you contribute anything while you were there? I was away
so I don't know for sure. If you did then I will foregive you, but, as I am
writing this not to insult anyone in this RT group I will save my comments for a
private email if you choose.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't know much about Real Traders but if you are
one then we have a lot of ground to cover to get the real meaning
accross.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope I don't upset any of the Real Traders in
this group, but I am prepared to arrest any of the false ideas you all might
have about trading if you want me to. Why not I am at the keyboard watching the
market most of the time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Who cares anyway only the losers who need to get a
fix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce Gilmore.</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: [RT] Re: GEN:STOCKS--IPO'S {02}
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<DIV><FONT size=2>try <A
href="http://www.ipo.com";>http://www.ipo.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.ipocentral.com";>http://www.ipocentral.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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Schroeder</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:02
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RT] GEN:STOCKS--IPO'S
{01}</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>List;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have been researching IPO's in some detail lately.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Does anyone have any practical sites bookmarked that offer insightful
analysis of relatively new ipo's and forthcoming ipo's?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am aware of Tradehards.com website--any other's out there that show
promise?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just curious,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Subject: [RT] BOnd Chat Room {01}
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<DIV><EM>Live Chat room to discuss daytrading bonds at #Bonds on IRC Othernet
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Subject: [RT] Re: Is trading system necessary for a successful trading? {04}
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Having started designing and developing computer systems in the early 60's,
it was second nature to approach trading from the systems point of view when
I first took an interest in the markets 15 years ago. I spent untold hours
over many years creating and developing logically and mathematically based
systems and indicators which I would backtest over long periods of history
(longer than the bull market). I built some good stuff but never found what
I was looking for. One day I was browsing B&N, pulled Edwards & McGee off
the shelf, spent a couple of fascinating hours browsing it, and ended up
taking it home. That was the beginning of my real education on the structure
and psychology of markets.
I believe that getting a handle on the psychology of trading has little to
do with systems or methodologies and everything to do with acquiring
self-knowledge and self-discipline. If you can't pull the trigger when you
should, or you can't set a loss limit and stick to it, there is no system in
the world which is going to solve that problem.
Ultimately, each trader much choose the tools, time frame, and methods which
mesh with his/her capitalization, risk tolerance, and trading goals. By my
definition, a discretionary trader has developed and uses a framework of
rules and methods which provide the basic techniques to enter and exit
markets. The "plus" for a discretionary trader is the ability to apply a
sixth sense to the markets which allows the trader to adapt to markets as
they evolve and change. The "plus" for the system trader is the defined
structure and psychological belief in the system.
The autopilot analogies mentioned here as the ultimate proof of programming
over human judgement begs the question ... why bother to put human beings in
the cockpit? The reason they still put human beings in the cockpits of those
multi-million dollar planes loaded with hundreds of human lives is that
there are times when all the programming in those black box pilots is simply
not capable of dealing with an unusual or unexpected event. I believe too
that the chess analogies used here are an inadequate corollary to the
markets. Chess has a fixed board and fixed rules for the movement of each
piece on the board, thus the variables are known. The combinations and
outcomes are primarily a challenge in calculation. The markets are far more
diverse than a chess game and are essentially a challenge of the unknown.
Thus, the trading systems developer is constantly faced with adapting and
back-fitting his/her system to whatever the market throws at the developer.
This is why so many trading systems must be constantly refitted and
optimized to keep up with the markets ... a fact which should not be lost on
those who have been looking to short the equity markets.
Anyone who has attempted to program basic chart patterns in their various
combinations and permutations is well aware of the tremendous programming
effort which is required to even begin to approximate the cognitive
abilities of a practiced human eye/brain. It has been my own experience that
it's easier to train the human eye/brain through education and constant
practice than it is to train the computer through programming. Your mileage
may vary.
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Brown <markbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:01 PM
Subject: [RT] Re: Is trading system necessary for a successful trading? {03}
> Think about this. The psychological process of trading can be solved
> sooner by having a method which has been thoroughly statistically
> proven. But if do not have a method that's sound nerves of steel will
> not make you a winning trader.
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