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<DIV>I have been researching IPO's in some detail lately.</DIV>
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<DIV>Does anyone have any practical sites bookmarked that offer insightful
analysis of relatively new ipo's and forthcoming ipo's?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am aware of Tradehards.com website--any other's out there that show
promise?</DIV>
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<DIV>Just curious,</DIV>
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<DIV>Steven Schroeder</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
humour, if you have the salt in your veins that makes a trader you would not be
so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
{02}</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:heicz@xxxxxxxxx"; title=heicz@xxxxxxxxx>Henry R. Heiczereder</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:52 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
humour, if you have the salt in your veins that makes a trader you would not be
so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
PM</DIV>
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{02}</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:heicz@xxxxxxxxx"; title=heicz@xxxxxxxxx>Henry R. Heiczereder</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
humour, if you have the salt in your veins that makes a trader you would not be
so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV
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<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
{02}</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
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are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
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<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
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<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
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</DIV>
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title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
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<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
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</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
humour, if you have the salt in your veins that makes a trader you would not be
so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
{02}</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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href="mailto:heicz@xxxxxxxxx"; title=heicz@xxxxxxxxx>Henry R. Heiczereder</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
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</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
humour, if you have the salt in your veins that makes a trader you would not be
so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
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</B><A
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<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
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</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
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href="mailto:heicz@xxxxxxxxx"; title=heicz@xxxxxxxxx>Henry R. Heiczereder</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<<A
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</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
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title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sophie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Send him this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Henry you silly fool, you don't have a sense of
humour, if you have the salt in your veins that makes a trader you would not be
so thin skinned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryce.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sophie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> ; <A
href="mailto:bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bryce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tr: [RT] Re: Where are...
{02}</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:heicz@xxxxxxxxx"; title=heicz@xxxxxxxxx>Henry R. Heiczereder</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [RT] Re: Where are... {02}</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to the
top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night. One of
the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I wonder if I
could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I think that they
need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in their
glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred man.
The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a living
trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his money to
charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to his address
in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This was posted on
this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG figured out that
some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of the group(let's
call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He said that
everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't accurate and
that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.' So his
solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in Kosovo so
that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give to whom I
want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann, who
allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would have a
fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until now. Where
is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around selling books, seminars,
and programs for over 10 years. He has<BR>obviously sold tons of them
as it has kept him alive. Out of all of those<BR>students, why are
none of them big time money managers today? I am looking<BR>for one
disciple. Before anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which
I<BR>ADMIT have SOME merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and
Eckhardt<BR>taught their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the
largest CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too.
How many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money managers?
Why do they continue to sell books? I could see selling<BR>some to
finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names are the same.<BR>A lot
of them do well in letter writing contests and some even win
little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that there will be
multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's 600% return in two
weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way crosses different
points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper and how much you assign
to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers will have been successful
over 10 years. None will have an NFA<BR>audited track record.
They will be plenty mad and plenty sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are
certainly an infinite number of ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am
open to the possibility that ANY type of method could produce an
edge.<BR>I'll test anything. Some of you should perhaps open your mind
to the<BR>possibility that Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do
not create<BR>an edge and merely produce random trades. Many of your
successful examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: [RT] Re: your pc and y2k {02}
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Another piece of BS which has been circulating on the net ... has absolutely
nothing to do with Y2K ... just alters how the date is displayed not how it
is used internally.
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: wong <whs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:43 AM
Subject: [RT] your pc and y2k {01}
>
> TAKE A MOMENT TO DO THIS. YOUR DATE MUST READ 4 DIGITS FOR
> THE YEAR NOT TWO (i.e. 01/01/2000 not 01/01/00) OR IT WILL THINK IT IS
> 1900. LOOK AT YOUR SYSTEM. YOU CAN CHANGE IT YOURSELF.
>
> MINE CHECKED OUT FINE EXCEPT FOR THAT BALI
>
> You may think your PC is "'(2K" compliant, and some little
> tests may have actually affirmed that your hardware is compliant, and you
> may even have a little company sticker affixed to your system saying 'Y2K
> Compliant", but you'll be surprised that Windows may still crash unless
> you do this simple exercise below. I know that I had not thought of this
> and my home computer and work computer would have failed Jan 1, 2000.
> Easy fix but something Microsoft seems to have missed in certifying their
> software as Y2K compliant.
>
> This is simple to do, and but VERY important.
>
> Click on "START'.
>
> Double click on "Control Panel".
>
> Double click on "Regional settings" icon (look for the
> little world globe).
>
> Click on the "Date" tab at the top of the page (last tab on
> the top right) where it says, "Short Date Sample".
>
> Look and see if it shows a two digit year format "yy".
>
> Unless you've previously changed it (and you probably haven't) -- it will
> be set incorrectly with just the TWO y's. It needs to be FOUR y's! That
> is because Microsoft made the 2 digits setting default setting for Windows
> 95, Windows 98 and NT. This date format elected - the date that Windows
> feeds *ALL* application software and will not rollover into the year 2000.
> It will rollover to the year 00.
>
> Click on the button across from "Short Date Style" and
> select the option that shows, mm/dd/yyyy'. (Be sure your selection has
> FOUR y's showing, not just mm/dd/yy). Then click on "Apply". Then click
> on "OK" at the button.
>
> Easy.
>
> Tough for Microsoft to fix, however, since every "as
> distributed" installation of Windows worldwide is defaulted to fail Y2K
> rollover... Pass this along to your buddies... no matter how much of a
> guru they think they are... this might be a welcome bit of information!
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