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<DIV><FONT size=2>My comments inserted where necessary, my numbers are not all 
crunched yet:</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>To review the basic DRoex system:<BR>Take the daily H - L 
  and average it for 5 days.&nbsp; Then multiply it by 16 and<BR>name it 
  Historical.&nbsp; Compare the Historical&nbsp; to the implied 
  volatility.&nbsp; If<BR>the Historical is less than implied then expect a 
  short term rally in the<BR>undelrying until Historical = implied.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  DR can correct me if I have<BR>misinterpreted it.<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Variants on this are:</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>a/ ATR(5) v/s IV. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>The advantage of ATR over plain H-L is the 
  accounting for significant gaps, which are an increasing part of stock trading 
  reality.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>The limitations of this are that 
  </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>1 - intraday IV data is not readily available to 
  compare ATR or price with ATR of IV.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>2 - IV changes based on model used for calculating 
  it. This is relevant if system triggers trades based on decimal point 
  differentials, not necessary for back of envelope calcs and 
  trading.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>b/ HV as calculated from log of stdev of price 
  changes (HV for 5 day period v/s IV). </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>The advantage of HV is that this is what old school 
  option traders like to use to compare current IV with HV of underlying to 
  figure out if IV is cheap or expensive. This school of thought has its merits 
  and its demerits.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>The limitations for using HV v/s ATR&nbsp;are 
  that</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>1 - HV (Shelly Natenberg book equations) uses 
  Closing Price as foundation. This defeats the ATR concept's 
  usefulness.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>2 - Workaround is HV of 5 day ATR (instead of HV of 
  Close) or some other period's ATR. Depends on how simple or complex you want 
  it to be.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>The attached two .gifs show why the DRoex system failed in 
  the 1992 to 1997<BR>period and worked in the 1998 to 1999 period.&nbsp; It has 
  to do with rising<BR>levels in both the VIX and the annualized 5 day 
  historical volatility as he<BR>defines it.&nbsp; In the early period the 
  historical was below the implied most<BR>of the time and generated no 
  trades.&nbsp; Then the historical and implied began<BR>rising but the 
  historical rose faster.&nbsp; In the last few years, the Dr's<BR>perceptions 
  are valid and make a decent system.<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Hence the Doc probably refers to this as the 
  evolving phenomenon in hedging as viewed from the Dealer's 
  turret.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><BR>Suggestions might be to use another type of historical 
  volatility.&nbsp; Another<BR>might be to compare Hist and IV 
  differently.&nbsp; Perhaps normalizing both in<BR>some way would help.&nbsp; A 
  third would be to use a different endpoint detection<BR>to the rally than H = 
  IV.&nbsp; The third one alone would make a big difference<BR>in profitability 
  for the recent period.&nbsp; A fourth would be the radical idea<BR>that 
  dispells the notion that a system has to work over long periods 
  of<BR>time.&nbsp; Markets change and systems have to adapt or become extinct 
  or be used<BR>when they are at their best.&nbsp; Infact there is a trading 
  methodology based on<BR>"what is working now".<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>This is not such a radical idea, and it is in fact 
  very valid. A system, while it works, is great. When it doesn't, it causes 
  tremendous losses and missed opportunity. Think of its usefulness as akin to 
  using RSI overbought to go short in an uptrend. Where does that get 
  you....</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Thank you once again, DrOEX.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>BobR/Gitanshu</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><BR>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Jay,

The only way to get around the automatic timeout for PMBe is to re-log-in before it happens.  I have a timer set to buzz me every 50 minutes so that I have time to log-off and back in again before I need it for my trades. I wonder what MORON at PMBe thought up this new "feature"!!!! 

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:19:53   Jay Becker wrote:
>Yep, they just changed their software over and with it has come a whole
>bunch of problems.  Yesterday and today I can't even get in.  For the last
>couple of weeks, their system will log you off about every hour...which
>makes for some pretty stressful situations being that you have no way of
>knowing that you have been logged off.  Also, their online accounting
>system, that would show the previous day's activity and p/l, account
>balance, all that stuff, is not working either.  Looks like they decided to
>make us their guinea pigs!
>
>Jay Becker

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