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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We should have a survey each day on the
Bearishnesh, bullishness, nuetralness of the members of this forum, compile the
list, analyse it, and determine if using such a list would contribute as another
indicator, contrarian or protarian, to help make trades. Sort of what they
do on CNBC. I don't put much stock in the indicators they produce on CNBC,
unless, of course, one would use it more as a contrarian to the contrarian
indicators.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Any for this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Matt</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>BobsKC</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx";
title=ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx>ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>RealTraders Discussion Group</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: AW: FOMC meeting?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Ahhh.... The wall of worry! We climb it while screaming
armagedden over<BR>and over and over and still, we do it. In fact, we
*must* do it or bull<BR>markets would fail. The mails to this list
proclaiming bubbles, (aka bull<BR>markets), are about to burst, only
substantiate that the climb up the wall<BR>is continuing. Should nearly everyone
on this list begin to proclaim we<BR>are past the problems, that the
bubble was really a hot air balloon to<BR>prosperity and that the indices have
only begun to rise.... *get out*. <BR><BR>Oh, I too am not so sure
we won't see an increase of 1/4 pt today with a<BR>neutral bias. Almost as
good as no increase since everyone will then be<BR>convinced the series has
ended. Without an increase, worrywarts will just<BR>begin to worry about
Nov. For me, I would like to see the final 1/4 point<BR>taken back and a
return to focusing on earnings.<BR><BR>Bob<BR><BR>At 05:20 PM 10/5/99 +0100,
Gwenael Gautier wrote:<BR>>Ouch that hurts... Well I hope this is not to
happen. Problem with bubbles<BR>is <BR>>that they are recognized as obvious
bubbles only after the fact. There are<BR>many <BR>>situations that are
comparable to bubbles but which never burst so they<BR>are not
<BR>>recognized as bubbles.It was said before 1987 we are in a bubble, and
we<BR>had a <BR>>crash and the bull we had after just dwarfed the previous,
so where is the<BR>true <BR>>bubble?<BR>><BR>>still
bubbling,<BR>><BR>>Gwenn<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>|
-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----<BR>>| Von: Earl Adamy [<A
href="mailto:SMTP:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx";>SMTP:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx</A>]<BR>>|
Gesendet am: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 1:32 PM<BR>>| An: RealTraders
Discussion Group<BR>>| Betreff: Re: FOMC meeting?<BR>>|<BR>>| AG is
responsible for guiding the monetary and interest rate policies
of<BR>the<BR>>| US and this includes managing and preventing excessive
speculation and<BR>>| consumption whether it be in banking, real estate,
credit, or stock<BR>markets.<BR>>| Allowing bubbles to build and then explode
wrecks the economy for everyone,<BR>>| not just the irresponsible speculators
- clearly an area where government<BR>>| has a responsibility to act. Early
in his career, AG wrote some papers on<BR>>| the crash of 29 which criticized
the central bankers for allowing excessive<BR>>| speculation and credit to
grow unabated. Just a few years ago, AG had it<BR>>| right when he spoke of
"irrational exuberance", however he was unwilling to<BR>>| pay the (probably
very substantial) political price of raising interest and<BR>>| margin rates
to head off the bubble. Nor have our central bankers and<BR>>| politicians
been willing to bring an end to the import of endless cheap<BR>>| goods which
have held inflation in check and spurred consumption while<BR>>| exporting a
major portion of the US manufacturing base and building an<BR>>| incredible
trade deficit. Consequently, by most historical measures, US<BR>>| equity and
credit markets have bubbled to the point where a prick of the<BR>>| bubble
poses a serious threat to not only the US economy, but the world<BR>>|
economy as well.<BR>>|<BR>>| When the bubble does burst, as it inevitably
will, the retirement savings<BR>>| and pension plans of at least two
generations will be placed in jeopardy.<BR>>| Not only are these generations
at risk of losing their financial<BR>>| independence, but government tax
coffers shorn of the stock market tax<BR>>| bonanza will be incapable of
providing a safety net. Further, US workers<BR>>| will wake up to find that
few are in a position to support the huge US<BR>>| service economy and that
there are few manufacturing jobs remaining. In<BR>>| short, what happened in
Japan in 1989 won't begin to compare to what will<BR>>| happen in the US when
the bubble bursts.<BR>>|<BR>>| Earl<BR>>|<BR>>| ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>| From: Gwenael Gautier <<A
href="mailto:ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx";>ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>| To:
'James Taylor' <<A
href="mailto:jptaylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>jptaylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>>;
RealTraders Discussion Group<BR>>| <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>|
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 2:05 AM<BR>>| Subject: AW: FOMC
meeting?<BR>>|<BR>>|<BR>>| > People make their own decisions and
choices. Whether Mr G. was right or<BR>>| wrong<BR>>| > to make the
decisions he made remains to be seen in hindsight, but it is<BR>>|
people<BR>>| > who acted on their own buying these stocks, working for
these companies<BR>>| that<BR>>| > lay off, did not start their own
companies, did not buy the stocks,<BR>>| speculated<BR>>| > short term
instead of holding long term, or bought houses and cars<BR>instead<BR>>|
of<BR>>| > stocks, or the reverse, borrowed instead of saved. How can you
say G. is<BR>>| > responsible for what people do. As you mentionned most
are irrational,<BR>and<BR>>| do<BR>>| > irrational things and then
complain about unexpected results... Well, you<BR>>| bet!<BR>>| > That
shouldn't be a surprise, but I don't see what G. is doing in there.<BR>>|
><BR>>| > Gwenn<BR>>| ><BR>>| ><BR>>| ><BR>>| >
| -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----<BR>>| > | Von: James Taylor [<A
href="mailto:SMTP:jptaylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>SMTP:jptaylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>]<BR>>|
> | Gesendet am: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 4:06 AM<BR>>| > | An: RAY
RAFFURTY; fritz@xxxxxxxx; RealTraders
Discussion Group<BR>>| > | Betreff: Re: FOMC meeting?<BR>>| >
|<BR>>| > | If the scum-sucker Greenspan has any spine at all, he will
raise<BR>>| tomorrow,<BR>>| > | and catch the gambling public
flat-footed. This 'man' (and I use the<BR>>| term<BR>>| > |
loosely) will be hated by tens of millions of American's when
this<BR>ponzi<BR>>| > | scheme finally ends. A heck of a lot of
innocent, hard-working<BR>citizens<BR>>| > | will be hurt by his past
bubble cultivation. When the blind-sided<BR>>| public<BR>>| > |
end up unemployed, their families put on the street, and hungry, this<BR>>|
joker<BR>>| > | will think long and hard about the choices he made.
I wouldn't want to<BR>>| be<BR>>| > | him. Rednecks don't act
rationally when they are hungry and cold.<BR>>| > |<BR>>| > |
Signed,<BR>>| > | an informed student of economics and government
mismanagement and<BR>>| deception<BR>>| > |<BR>>| > |
-------------<BR>>| > |<BR>>| > | At 09:42 PM 10/4/99 -0400, RAY
RAFFURTY wrote:<BR>>| > | >Hi Gary,<BR>>| > | ><BR>>| >
| >Actually, to get a jump on the Fed. meeting tune into CNBC at
about<BR>>| 8:00 AM<BR>>| > | >EST for Mr. Greenspan's briefcase
indicator. It has been correct<BR>>| something<BR>>| > | >like
18 out of the last 19 times. {;-)<BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > |
>
Good luck and good<BR>trading,<BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > |
>
Ray Raffurty<BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > | >-----
Original Message -----<BR>>| > | >From: Gary Fritz <<A
href="mailto:fritz@xxxxxxxx";>fritz@xxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>| > | >To:
RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>|
> | >Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 4:34 PM<BR>>| > | >Subject:
FOMC meeting?<BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > | >>
I'm holding a long position into tomorrow and I figured I'd check...<BR>>|
> | >><BR>>| > | >> The FOMC meeting starts tommorrow
morning at 0900 ET. But there is<BR>>| > | >> usually not any
impact from the *start* of the meeting, right? Any<BR>>| > |
>> fireworks, if any are to happen, shouldn't launch until
they<BR>announce<BR>>| > | >> on Thursday at 1400 ET?<BR>>| >
| >><BR>>| > | >> The market doesn't seem to think Mr. G. will
drop any bombs on<BR>>| > | >> Thursday, given the run-up since
Friday afternoon. Anybody want to<BR>>| > | >> hazard any
predictions?<BR>>| > | >><BR>>| > | >> Thanks,<BR>>|
> | >> Gary<BR>>| > | >><BR>>| > | >><BR>>|
> | >><BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > | ><BR>>| > |
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Subject: Re: GEN: Stop me before I day Trade again!
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:47:52 -0700
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Ben;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Is this a LEGALLY Binding document, and, if so, are you
prepared to cough up $6,000,000?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Matt</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Brent</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:Proffittak@xxxxxxx";
title=Proffittak@xxxxxxx>Proffittak@xxxxxxx</A> ; <A
href="mailto:t-bondtrader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=t-bondtrader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>t-bondtrader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:06 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: GEN: Stop me before I day Trade again!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Ben, let us know if anyone takes you up on your challenge. It
wont be me,<BR>I don't day trade. However, I've been testing an approach to day
trading<BR>that isn't so stressful, so watch out Ben someone else might be doing
this.<BR><BR>Brent<BR><BR>> good morning<BR>> even seasoned
traders LOSE the war in day trading<BR>> it takes a GRATER
toll on your emotions stress is greater<BR>> and if you do not
make your 1.5 million in2=3 years<BR>> YOU WILL BURN OUT<BR>> (both
mentally and financially)<BR>> i do not care how good your
m/m is. the POWER to acually pick up the<BR>> phone
and close position at a loss IS the real test of mony
mgt<BR>> I even tried a combo of 50/50 (50 day trade and
50% of capital<BR>position<BR>> trade)<BR>> results even more
stress,, which resulted to LARGER losses<BR>><BR>> if
ANYONE on this list can fax me copies of their statments with
1 year<BR>> of CONSISTANT day trading proffits.<BR>> and
i mean 8 out of 12 month, and made at least
100% increase on<BR>their<BR>> original capital , I
will mach and GIFT them 100% of their original<BR>>
capital and take my hat off and bow,,<BR>> happy trading<BR>>
Ben<BR>><BR>><BR><BR></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: GEN: Stop me before I day Trade again!
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In a message dated 10/5/99 3:44:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hehohop@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< Ben,
I been profitably daytrading the S&P for the last year or so. I trade one
lots in my own account. For the calender year 99 I'm up $11,481.52 as of
9/30/99. I was profitable Every month but one, in which I lost $139. I
keep the average balance in my account is around $15,000. But I have made
100% of the margin required to trade a one lot.
>>
hi
if you are so good
why only have a 15000 acount???
if you show a year of good truck record you can get $$$ from many
and make a good living
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