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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Could someone please post a 15 tick chart
of the SO&P500</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Rob</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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I must say, Stig, I do enjoy so seeing you do this squirm about your mental
gyrations, trying to force fit the current gold chart into an explanation
that fits the manipulation thesis. That namely, the gold market somehow
did something it wasn't supposed to do by going lower than certain analysis
would have predicted. At this stage I just can't help laughing
to see you try to hold onto this idea, as if desperately. Give
it up, Stig. The chart looks just like it's supposed to look.
Check <i>Schwager on Futures</i> for countless examples of bear traps.
It's market behavior. Appreciate it for it's richness.
<p>Your charts, on the other hand, are a beautiful thing to behold.
What symmetry in the way these Forks work out. And do you notice
you argue against them? They defy your explanations. Your hand
defies your mouth!
<p>The whole question should be posed, instead, from the viewpoint of the
trader, not the analyst. How does one trade such a chart as this?
What triggers and stops could a trader employ to profit by such behavior?
I have a feeling the next time you see a bear trap like this, (I'd keep
watching the bonds if I were you), like a Hollywood producer you'll know
a good thing when you've seen it twice. <g>
<p>And thanks for sharing that chart. It says more than anything
I've read on gold from all the stuff posted here in many days.
<p>Scheier
<br>PS Possible bull flag forming in Silver, wave 4?.
Let's see if we can figure out a way to make you some money on all this
verbal speculation....
<p>Stig O wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>There are
some interesting coincidences with regard to the recent goldprice.</font></font><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Or
is it the Natural Order we are witnessing?</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>The
green line is the Main resistance line from the 1980 high.</font></font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Magenta
lines are Andrews Pitchfork from the 1980 high and 1985 low. It's offset
by 50% (a function in Dynamic Trader).</font></font><font size=-1>The line
acting as resistance to present price is the 1st warning line in the Pitchfork
( "
" "
)</font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>The blue lines are Andrews
Pitchfork from the 1993 low to1996 high. also offset 50%.</font></font> <font size=-1>You
may also remember the Gann fan lines posted in my last goldchart.</font> <font size=-1>There
is no doubt in my mind that if we break the resistance in the 330 area,
we are in for a bullrun that will parallell the DM run from 1985.</font> <font size=-1>Have
a nice weekend,</font> <font size=-1>stig</font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Just
as a though experiment...... couldn it be possible that an upmove from
ANY bottom at this time would have stopped at 328 anyway.</font></font><font size=-1>I
mean, if we hadn't had this last "manipulation" move down to 255, then
the spike up wouldn't have been so large.</font><font size=-1>In other
words the harm done to the "manipulators" was self inflicted. (so what?)</font> <font size=-1>The
word "manipulator" should be understood as small group of people with ample
money resources to move markets. it does not imply any moral values at
all.</font> <font size=-1>But it's interesting to see how the natural
order MUST run it's course.</font> <font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Hmmmmmmmmm,
perhaps I should only post the charts and leave out the comments.......<g></font></font> </blockquote>
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:02:19 -0400
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From: Bob Fulks <bfulks@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: OEX Swing m/c, Trading sytems and markets
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At 10:02 AM -0600 10/1/99, Earl Adamy wrote:
>This observation was confirmed during over a decade of system
>building and testing. From a psychological point of view, this is
>probably due to fear being a greater, more immediate and more
>mass motivator than greed. This is one of the major reasons why
>systems which do reasonably well in bull markets frequently fall
>apart in bear markets.
I concur. Markets do not "crash" in the upward direction. And you
rarely see A-tops but frequently see V-bottoms.
>My final years of system building consisted of building hybrid
>systems which incorporated independent bull and bear market
>components and a switching mechanism.
I have not had much luck with that approach. The market never seems
to be really clear on which mode it is in. There seem to be many
shades of gray.
Bob Fulks
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