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<DIV>From: <PJLaird@xxxxxxx></DIV>
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<DIV>Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 7:24 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: RT_gen:strange cycles</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>> <><BR>> <BR>> Ron,<BR>> <BR>> The mathematical key
is the Fibonacci ratio. I think the references I saw <BR>> were to
the Great Pyramid of Giza. The ratio of the length to diagonal of
<BR>> the base to the height and several other dimension are all exact
Fibonacci <BR>> mathematical ratios.<BR>></DIV>
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<DIV>I doubt that the Great Pyramid was a Fibb ratio when it was
constructed. Over the centuries the limestone outer cover has been striped
off for other uses. If it is a fibb ratio today it is by accident.
Some tabloids claim that the pyramid's base is a ratio of pi and this proves
aleians designed it, since the Egyption could not calculate pi to any decimal
place. It is true the the base is a ratio of pi to several decimals.
The problem is all buildings in the anchient world are too. The reason is
that the oldest measuring tool is a wheel attached to a stick. Put a mark
on the weel, roll it on the ground and count the revolutions. Doing this
you can get very consistant mesurtments. The Egyptions knew this. We
know that the circumference of a wheel = pi x the diameter, so anything
constructed this way will have pi as a ratio. Does Fibb use pi in it's
calculation?</DIV>
<DIV><BR>> I believe Giza was built before the Egyptians had a written
language. It has <BR>> been suggested that this pyramid was their way of
communicating their <BR>> discovery to subsequent generations.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Nonsence, not only are the toombs filled with hyroglithics, the workmen
signed their names in hidden places just as construction workers do today.</DIV>
<DIV> <BR>> Don't know of course if any of this is correct, other than
that the multitude <BR>> of coincidences of the Fibonacci ratio means that
anything you do with <BR>> "Pyramid Power" is nothing more than Fibonacci
juggling, and that will get <BR>> you surprising results. This link will show
you July 19th pick as a pivot <BR>> last month applying the Fibonacci
ratio <BR>> <A
href="http://www4.golden.net/laird/TimeDOW.htm";>http://www4.golden.net/laird/TimeDOW.htm</A>.
<BR>> <BR>> Never ceases to amaze me. Does zip for direction, but is
certainly useful.<BR>> <BR>> Peter<BR>> <A
href="http://www4.golden.net/laird/Comment.htm";>http://www4.golden.net/laird/Comment.htm</A><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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<p>Sorry, I don't buy your wheel explanation for a Fib ratio 'in' the pyramid.
If you measure a distance in whole revolutions, it certainly will be a
multiple of pi times the diameter of the wheel, which turned to dust many
millenia ago, and has nothing to do with any ratios visible today.
<p>If you compare two distances produced this way, pi will cancel out in
any relationship.
<p>Regards
<br>DanG
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<br>>
<br>> Ron,
<br>>
<br>> The mathematical key is the Fibonacci ratio. I think the references
I saw
<br>> were to the Great Pyramid of Giza. The ratio of the length
to diagonal of
<br>> the base to the height and several other dimension are all exact
Fibonacci
<br>> mathematical ratios.
<br>> I doubt that the Great Pyramid was a Fibb ratio when it was
constructed. Over the centuries the limestone outer cover has been
striped off for other uses. If it is a fibb ratio today it is by
accident. Some tabloids claim that the pyramid's base is a ratio
of pi and this proves aleians designed it, since the Egyption could not
calculate pi to any decimal place. It is true the the base is a ratio
of pi to several decimals. The problem is all buildings in the anchient
world are too. The reason is that the oldest measuring tool is a
wheel attached to a stick. Put a mark on the weel, roll it on the
ground and count the revolutions. Doing this you can get very consistant
mesurtments. The Egyptions knew this. We know that the circumference
of a wheel = pi x the diameter, so anything constructed this way will have
pi as a ratio. Does Fibb use pi in it's calculation?
<br>> I believe Giza was built before the Egyptians had a written language.
It has
<br>> been suggested that this pyramid was their way of communicating their
<br>> discovery to subsequent generations.Nonsence, not only are the toombs
filled with hyroglithics, the workmen signed their names in hidden places
just as construction workers do today.
<br>> Don't know of course if any of this is correct, other than that the
multitude
<br>> of coincidences of the Fibonacci ratio means that anything you do
with
<br>> "Pyramid Power" is nothing more than Fibonacci juggling, and that
will get
<br>> you surprising results. This link will show you July 19th pick as
a pivot
<br>> last month applying the Fibonacci ratio
<br>> http://www4.golden.net/laird/TimeDOW.htm.
<br>>
<br>> Never ceases to amaze me. Does zip for direction, but is certainly
useful.
<br>>
<br>> Peter
<br>> http://www4.golden.net/laird/Comment.htm
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
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Looks like the high probabilities noted in my previous post have been reached.
time to take profits. Ira.
Ira wrote:
> Why not go long now. It has a high probability of getting to 565 then 595.
> It can go to 7.25 and still be in a down trend. You should not have an
> opinion on what you are trading. Always look at both sides. You currently
> have both an up trade and a down trade possible at this time. My system says
> that the long trade has the highest probability of success at this time. This
> is not a trade recommendation, as I, like all traders have been wrong. That
> is the nature of the business. The reason for the post is to get you to look
> at both possibilities with the same degree of conviction and let the charts
> tell which is correct based upon the system you use. Good luck and have a good
> week end. Ira.
>
> Philip wrote:
>
> > I was pondering sugar as a potential short, maybe not tomorrow but soon
> > (watch what happens now that I'm on the record!). But then I fired up
> > the old fib tool and well, have a look at the GIF. Looks like the 536+
> > level is a classic case of resistance turned into support. Back in May
> > 536 was a tough hurdle to take, while over the last 6-7 trading days
> > roughly the same level is where somebody's just as adamant about buying
> > it.
> >
> > Maybe a short at this point would have limited potential. Last weekend,
> > everybody did their homework and came to the conclusion "Yup, it's
> > turning down again." There must have been all sorts of sell orders
> > waiting on Monday morning to drive price down like that. But then
> > somebody stepped in and really bought in no uncertain terms (and at a
> > nice price too).
> >
> > Am I on the right track?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > [Image]
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