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> NW: Exactly! Einstein would be proud. Its all relative. The Solar System
is like
> a giant magneto. As the Planets change their relative position they create
> different force fields. But how it all works at this point is purely
> theoretical, beyond this forum, and not necessary. The bottom line is that
it
> does work and I will present some evidence below to prove it. However,
being
> that Andrew is a Taurus, I know that he is "bull headed" so I don't expect
to
> convince him.
Actually, I think Einstein would be very displeased.
The movement of planets and all heavenly bodies is very well understood and
has been for a couple of centuries. Einstein's unified field theory would
be the ultimate mathematical explanation, however, a any high school physics
book explains gravity and other Newtonian concepts. The movement of the
planets is
very well understood.
If following the stars helps you trade, go for it, but I don't buy it for a
minute and you have yet to say anything of substance, that would convince me
otherwise.
And don't call me bull headed. That just a personal attack and as such, has
no place in an inteligent conversation.
Andrew.
Ps. For the sake of bandwidth, lets end this here.
----- Original Message -----
From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Andrew <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Trading Gen: The Duck - Astology
>
>
> Andrew wrote:
>
> > I appreciate your enthusiastic energy. It is very obvious that you
> > care a great deal about astrology, however, your argument appears to be
an
> > extended non-sequitor.
> > The laws of physics are hard to beat. In any system where all
components
> > are in flux, and there is no frame of reference, then you can only judge
> > relative location as compared to other components, (astrological bodies)
> > from with in the system.
>
> NW: Exactly! Einstein would be proud. Its all relative. The Solar System
is like
> a giant magneto. As the Planets change their relative position they create
> different force fields. But how it all works at this point is purely
> theoretical, beyond this forum, and not necessary. The bottom line is that
it
> does work and I will present some evidence below to prove it. However,
being
> that Andrew is a Taurus, I know that he is "bull headed" so I don't expect
to
> convince him. I do hope to add some value and wake some folks who are open
> minded.
> Thank you to Clyde of RT fame for the following research. I have
> excerpted this from an earlier e-mail.
>
> I have an old research paper sitting on my desk
> done by a friend on correlating the Lunar Cycle with the markets. The
> currencies have a positive win los ratio to the Lunar Cycle.
> Please see the X phase numbers for when to buy or sell. For example, the
> JY has a phase X number of 17, meaning you should buy about two days
> after the Full Moon and sell two days after the New Moon. This is because
> you count X days from the New Moon to buy and the same X days from the
> Full Moon to sell. The currencies are vs. the US Dollar ala CME style.
> .
>
> Rank Market Win/Loss Ratio X = Days after
> New Moon Buy and Full Moon Sell
> 1 NY Stock Composite 3.25 2
> 2 S&P 500 2.95 2
> 3 Japanese Yen 2.88 17
> 4 High Grade Copper 1.97 24
> 5 T-Bonds 1.85 3
> 6 Coffee 1.67 14
> 7 DM 1.49 15
> 8 Heating Oil 1.38 8
> 9 Cotton 1.27 22
> 10 BP 1.16 15
> 11 Crude Oil 1.057 17
>
> Kewl huh? I rest my case. Enough BS, back to the bull pen Andrew.
>
> Evidentially,
>
> Norman
>
>
>
>
>
> > Using the sun or the earth as a center if fine,
> > but you must
> > adjust the calculation to ensure that the sun or earth remain relative
to
> > their original placement when selecting a zodiac sign. According to my
> > birthrate, I am Taurus. But in reality, I am another sign. (I don't
know
> > which one). Consequently, any predictions or horoscopes done for me
must be
> > incorrect. Garbage in, Garbage out.
> >
> > The end result is that the zodiac is out of wack. But I still like
> > astrology, it's fun at parties.
> >
> > I want to stress my original conclusion. If it works for you, then use
it.
> > this was a very important part of my original post. If the rubber duck
> > indicator worked reliably, I would trade it.
> >
> > I sincerely wish you Good luck and good trading.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Andrew <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <walt@xxxxxxxxx>; <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 11:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: Trading Gen: The Duck - Astology
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > Wrong! Your attack below is the oldest argument under the Sun by
> > novices
> > > trying to discredit our oldest science, Astrology. Yes, Astrologers
have
> > known
> > > about the precession of the equinox and that the constellations are
moving
> > > approximately one degree every 72 years. The signs and the
constellations
> > are
> > > not the same and haven't been for at least 2000 years. The only time
the
> > > constellations and signs were approximately in the same place was for
a
> > brief
> > > time 2,000 years ago. We also know that the Sun is the center of the
Solar
> > > system. This was discovered and written about over 2,000 years ago,
even
> > though
> > > the myth about Copernicus making this discovery continues. As for your
> > claims
> > > discrediting Astrology, Astrologers know that the Sun is the center of
the
> > Solar
> > > System but most Astrologers use an earth centered Astrology when they
> > analyze an
> > > Astrological chart. This is because we live on the Earth so we are
> > interested in
> > > events as they relate to Earth, not the Sun. In the same way we
perform
> > this
> > > analysis, we can also have scientific information about the Solar
System
> > yet
> > > apply information in a different manner based on its relative
practical
> > value.
> > > Yes Astrology does work. Does it work 100% of the time? No. Does
it
> > work
> > > better than any other method of forecasting turns in the markets.
> > Probably. This
> > > is not the time or place for a scientific presentation on proving
> > Astrology
> > > valid. However for those so inclined, check the research of the Michel
&
> > > Francois Gauquelin who showed, using a 500,000 population, that where
the
> > > planets are at birth influence what career one pursues.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hear is something for you. Astrology charts that are used today
were
> > > > created thousands of years ago. (some time BC)
> > > > So what... well, consider the movement of all heavenly bodies. The
> > planets,
> > > > stars, solar systems, galaxies that are used
> > > > to establish the base reference charts, have moved over time. In
fact,
> > > > they have moved so much that all, astrology signs are off by at
least
> > two
> > > > signs.
> > > >
> > > > If you think you are a Cancer, your not. Think you are a Taurus,
Wrong,
> > you
> > > > not the bull, but something else. Pisces, Nope. Everyone's
astrology
> > sign
> > > > is off.
> > > > It's all out of wacky. So look at a chart, find your sign and
move to
> > the
> > > > right at least two characters. that will tell you what the real sign
> > might
> > > > be.
> > > >
> > > > Now for all those astrology traders, think what this means. You are
> > trading
> > > > with bad data. When you look at mars aligning with Jupiter, you are
off
> > by
> > > > 2000 years of the universes movement. (give or take a few
centuries)
> > > >
> > > > This is conclusive proof that astrology is based on incorrect facts
and
> > > > false information and assumptions. In a word, it is all a bunch of
> > > > malarkey.
> > > >
> > > > Now with that said, I must admit that I take trades based on
Japanese
> > candle
> > > > sticks , including Dragon Fly Reversals. I have no idea why this
patter
> > > > works, but it has made a lot of money for me.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story.... if Astrology or anything works for you, my
only
> > > > advice can be: Use it.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew.
> > > >
> > > > Ps. Um... well, could I get a copy of the rubber duck indicator?
> > You
> > > > know... just for testing.... Honest, just testing! :-)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <walt@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 3:09 PM
> > > > Subject: Trading Gen: The Duck
> > > >
> > > > > RTs,
> > > > >
> > > > > I originally created the "duck indicator" to show Gann and
> > > > > Fibonacci proponents that charts tend to lend themselves well
> > > > > to any ratio set. The indicator was created by developing
> > > > > ratio sets from the measurements of a rubber duck.
> > > > > Unfortunately, I don't have the original .gif charts that
> > > > > went with the duck. I will have to create some new ones. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > The "duck" was found to call market turning points every bit
> > > > > as well as Gann and Fib points.
> > > > >
> > > > > Walt
> > > > >
> > > > > ROBERT ROESKE wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Post a request to Walt Downs for the Duck Indicator.
> > > > > > BobR
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: J. Rodney Grisham <grisham@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: RAY RAFFURTY <rrraff@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 9:09 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Why so much tension, each and every week?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > RAY RAFFURTY wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well put James. I have been a member of RT's for over 3
years
> > and
> > > > have
> > > > > > seen
> > > > > > > > the departure of many members who posted original and
creative
> > ideas
> > > > > > > > (remember the Duck Indicator?), but who have departed or
became
> > > > inactive
> > > > > > > > because of this type of noise. Lets all try to remember
that
> > before
> > > > we
> > > > > > > > criticize.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have not been on Realtraders long enough to remember the
Duck
> > > > > > > Indicator. Can you, or other long time subscribers, provide
> > > > > > > information on it? All current readers could probably use a
> > > > > > > creative idea or two.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rod
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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