[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Stocks: need help with daytrading time frames.



PureBytes Links

Trading Reference Links

<x-html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2014.210" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV>TGIF Everybody!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>After my first week&nbsp;back trading since October, I'm trying to 
summarize what I learned.&nbsp; And learn more!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I was proud of my own patience, waiting for the right trade.&nbsp; I used 
to be a "shoot from the hip" trader, over-trading just for the rush.&nbsp; 
Little did I know then the real "rush" would be my money flying out of my 
account!&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>What I did right:</EM></DIV>
<DIV>Set my stops and targets before I got in the trade.</DIV>
<DIV>Listened to music instead of CNBC&nbsp; z:^)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>What I did wrong:</EM></DIV>
<DIV>Fear kept me out of several trades that did play out just the way I thought 
they would.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sold trade #1 too early... just plain got excited .</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Did not sell at resistance on trade #2.&nbsp; Sold at support. Got 
nervous.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Increased my stop once I was&nbsp;in trade #3.&nbsp; Gave it one more level 
of support to test. (It failed). Got brazen.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Made a quick, though tiny, buck on trade #4.&nbsp; Got it right.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>What I really learned is that even though I want to be a swing trader and 
capture a larger move, I don't seem to have the patience to watch a stock for 
more than a day and a half without getting an itchy trigger finger and wanting 
to sell.&nbsp; I also need larger stops for swings and then don't sleep as 
well.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So I'm trying to day trade again.&nbsp; I don't have the modem or nerves 
for scalping 16th's.&nbsp; I'm trying for a point or more, based on buying 
retracements. Here's my question: I can't figure out which time frame to give 
the most weight.&nbsp; A 20 or 30 or even 60 minute chart probably reflects the 
size moves I'm trying to trade, but I find my entry with the 5 minute 
charts.&nbsp;Then I find myself glued to the 5 min. charts again, watching for 
any little nuance in price.&nbsp; I trade more price than indicators, but the 
different time frames portray the indicators differently.&nbsp;&nbsp;The 5 
minute chart whipsaws the indicators I do watch, but gives early warning 
too.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I need to identify my time frame to set realistic stops and 
targets&nbsp;and stick to that.&nbsp; I would be comfortable holding a stock all 
day.&nbsp; But I keep flipping through the different charts, mentally changing 
my objectives as I look at each.&nbsp; Both target and stop&nbsp;will be  based 
on fib numbers, but I want to&nbsp;complete the trade in a day.&nbsp; Is there a 
way to set a target&nbsp;and stop based on 1 day's action?&nbsp; Would you use 
average true range?&nbsp; &nbsp;Any comments? </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks to everyone who's help and encouragement has gotten me back in the 
saddle!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Linda</DIV>
<DIV>linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Climb the 
mountains &amp; get their glad tidings: Peace will flow into you as sunshine 
into flower; the winds will blow their freshness into you &amp; storms their 
energy, &amp; cares will drop off you like autumn leaves. John Muir 1838 - 
1914</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>
</x-html>From ???@??? Fri Apr 09 15:58:04 1999
Received: from list.listserver.com (198.68.191.15)
	by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.2) with SMTP id 4191
	for <neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri,  9 Apr 1999 18:55:46 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by accessone.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/PIH) with SMTP id PAA24899;
	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from main.ismi.net (root@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [206.31.56.7])
	by accessone.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/PIH) with ESMTP id PAA24398
	for <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ismi.net (tc2-29.ismi.net [205.216.96.84])
	by main.ismi.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26950;
	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:52:31 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <370E9339.44629F6E@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:54:34 -0500
Reply-To: corrion@xxxxxxxx
Sender: owner-realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: John Corrion <corrion@xxxxxxxx>
To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gen: Price of Gas/Oil and trading
References: <001001be82ca$a6cb5260$c63c31cf@xxxxxxxx> <370E6BD2.853F1D25@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <007901be82d8$ac58cc40$94d7e4cf@xxxxxx>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-To: RAY RAFFURTY <rrraff@xxxxxxxx>
X-Cc: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
X-Loop-Detect: 1
X-UIDL: 6acfdf4aeb7bc7789e602d7fb167d8ed.01

Ray,

Please, its a Ford Expedition.  And gas does need to be cheap to run that.

John

RAY RAFFURTY wrote:

> Just remember America is the only country in the world ware gas is cheaper
> than bottled water!  It's a good thing Chevrolet Expeditions don't run on
> Perrier.
>
>                                             Good luck and good trading,
>                                                         Ray Raffurty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norman Phair <ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Gen: Price of Gas/Oil and trading
>
> > Brent:
> >
> > No, I got your point.  The problem is people complain but when it comes
> > to our love of cars, most of us will pay the price because of the
> > convince factor. I remember an old saying that someone told me a long
> > time ago.  Gas is probably the cheapest expense you will have when
> > operating a car.  Consider the price of insurance and depreciation.
> >
> > Norman E.
> >
> >
> > BrentinUtahsDixie wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reply. Seems like you missed the point.
> > >
> > > Brent
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Norman Phair <ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx <brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 2:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Gen: Price of Gas/Oil and trading
> > >
> > > >Brent:
> > > >
> > > >Sell your car and buy a bike, then you will not be tempted to jump into
> > > >the car and use it.  Or get a motor scooter.  Or pay the price for gas,
> > > >remember you can not take it with you.
> > > >
> > > >Norman E.
> > > >
> > > >BrentinUtahsDixie wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> RT's,
> > > >>
> > > >> Any trader worth his salt should be able to tell people how to get
> the
> > > price
> > > >> of oil and gas to go down. One day of boycotting gas stations isn't
> going
> > > to
> > > >> do it. So how do you do it? Decrease demand.
> > > >>
> > > >> It happened once before when gas prices were high. It became
> fashionable
> > > to
> > > >> stay at home and vacation in your own back yard or your own town.
> People
> > > >> became very careful about how they drove, made one trip count for 2.
> > > Small
> > > >> cars were popular and gas hogs were not. Soon there was a glut of oil
> and
> > > >> prices crashed.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now you know how to make prices go down, tell your neighbor.
> > > >>
> > > >> As far as the one day boycott is concerned I expect it to make prices
> go
> > > >> even higher.
> > > >>
> > > >> Brent
> > > >
> >
> >