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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=696130320-09041999>The
solution to the problem you mention is for Ensign to support one of the data
services that stores historical data on their servers, i.e. Quote.com or any of
the Townsend Analytic vendors (PCQ, S&P Comstock, MB trading, etc.).
You could then refresh whenever you needed to. I and others have asked
Howard to support one of those for a while. So far, they don't seem
interested. Perhaps if more folks ask for it, it will
happen.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Jonathan
Sibley<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 09, 1999 2:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
RealTraders Discussion Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw:
Software<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>In a nutshell, I think Ensign is great. There is
a level of customer support that I have never seen elsewhere. It is not
unusual for a feature request to be added to the software within a few weeks,
if not days. Of course, it depends on what you are looking for,
though.<BR><BR>Then Ensign programming language is based on Pascal and is
extremely powerful. In addition, it keeps getting better and better. There are
also a number of indicators, tools, and alerts that are built in.<BR><BR>The
only downside I see right now, and this is probably true with most real-time
feeds, is that you can lose data if your computer crashes during the day.
There is no good way that I have found to refresh intraday data that is
missed, although I believe other users may have found good sources for futures
data. But if your system is solid and doesn't crash, that shouldn't be a
problem, anyway.<BR><BR>If you have specific questions, let me
know.<BR><BR>Jonathan Sibley<BR><BR>At 02:22 PM 4/9/99 -0500, charles meyer
wrote: <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><BR><FONT face=arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR>From: </B>charles meyer <<A
href="mailto:chmeyer@xxxxxxxx">chmeyer@xxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To: </B><A
href="mailto:denis@xxxxxxxxxxx">denis@xxxxxxxxxxx</A> <<A
href="mailto:denis@xxxxxxxxxxx">denis@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Friday, April 09, 1999 2:21 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re:
Software<BR><BR></FONT>Denis:<BR> <BR><FONT size=2>I have been an
Ensign user for several years now. Although I only
use</FONT><BR>Ensign V (a dinosaur now compared with Ensign VI and Ensign
for Windows)<BR>Howard and his staff has always been mindful, courteous and
timely in<BR>their responses to my questions and problems. In fact
many are now<BR>considering Ensign for Windows/DTN as the choice over TS but
you would<BR>want to get some feedback from someone more knowledgable in the
area<BR>of programming for more specific information.
<BR> <BR><FONT size=2>Charles</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial size=2><B>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">-----Original Message-----</B><BR>From:
</B>Denis Rochat <<A
href="mailto:denis@xxxxxxxxxxx">denis@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Friday, April 09, 1999 3:19 PM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Software<BR><BR></FONT>Does anyone have experience or comments about
Ensign software for charting futures? I am currently using DTN data
and want to start using charting software. I guess I'm looking for general
suggestions about software and where this one falls in the food chain.
Thanks.<BR>Denis Rochat<BR><A
href="mailto:denis@xxxxxxxxxxx">denis@xxxxxxxxxxx</A></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Bernie Mitchell Systems.....Need Feedback
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080
face="Times New Roman">R.T.'s-
Does anyone have any personal experience with Bernie
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work i</FONT></STRONG><FONT color=#000000 size=2><STRONG><FONT color=#000080
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appreciate any insights you could offer. Thank You. All the Best-
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Times New Roman">There is a risk of loss
in futures trading.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:dllabarre@xxxxxxxxx">dllabarre@xxxxxxxxx</A> <<A
href="mailto:dllabarre@xxxxxxxxx">dllabarre@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>To: RealTraders
Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Date:
Friday, April 09, 1999 12:33 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Larry Williams Systems and
Indicators<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>><BR>><BR>>I can write in Visual Basic
but would need some help with the ela files....<BR>>My business is writing
applications in Visual Basic stand alone, VB accessing<BR>>SQL databases,
writing Active Server Pages for Web Development,
etc.<BR>><BR>>Don<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Norman
Phair <<A
href="mailto:ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx">ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>> on
04/09/99 03:17:20 PM<BR>><BR>>Please respond to <A
href="mailto:ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx">ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>><BR>>To:
RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>cc:
(bcc: Donald L. LaBarre)<BR>>Subject: Re: Larry Williams Systems and
Indicators<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>To: All
RealTraders<BR>>From: Norman E.<BR>><BR>>Please see Tom's message below
and my request under that. Bottom line<BR>>does any one out there have the
ability to convert ela files into Visual<BR>>Basic or write new routines in
VB. I would like to view Larry's material.<BR>>Thanking you in advance
for anyone that can come to my rescue.<BR>><BR>><BR>>Tom Schrader
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Norman,<BR>>><BR>>> ELA files can
only be opened and used in Tradestation and in<BR>>> Supercharts.
Omega has done this to force sales higher I<BR>>> suppose. Some of
the more advanced people on the list<BR>>> can convert ela files into
Visual Basic or write new routines in VB.<BR>>><BR>>> I do not have
those skills, but perhaps one day.<BR>>><BR>>> Tom<BR>>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>>> From: Norman Phair <<A
href="mailto:ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx">ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>>
To: <<A
href="mailto:thomschrader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx">thomschrader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>>>
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 1:56 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: Larry Williams
Systems and Indicators<BR>>><BR>>> > Tom:<BR>>>
><BR>>> > I need plug ins to view the info. on Larry.
Unfortunately they do not<BR>>> > have a plug -in for my operating
system. If there is any other way you<BR>>> > could get this
information to me it would be greatly appreciated.<BR>>> ><BR>>>
> Norman E.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > > Tom Schrader
wrote:<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Members,<BR>>> >
><BR>>> > > There has been much discussion about
Larry<BR>>> > > Williams - pro and con. I felt the
direction of<BR>>> > > the discussion was non-productive, so I
decided<BR>>> > > to give the group a collection of ela files given
to<BR>>> > > me by Larry at one of his seminars a couple
of<BR>>> > > years ago. In that way each member can
evaluate<BR>>> > > in his own terms the validity of the work, and
maybe<BR>>> > > even make some improvements. I would only
ask<BR>>> > > that you share your thoughts and/or your
improvements<BR>>> > > with the group.<BR>>> >
><BR>>> > > I hope this does indeed stimulate a very productive
thread<BR>>> > > for the group. At least it was an opportunity
to give back<BR>>> > > to the group for the many great contributions
I have been<BR>>> > > given by Earl Adamy, Mark Brown, John Gambino,
Yuri,<BR>>> > > Clyde Lee and so many others.<BR>>> >
><BR>>> > > Good trading<BR>>> > ><BR>>> >
>
Name: Fsi.ela<BR>>> > > Fsi.ela
Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)<BR>>> >
> Encoding:
base64<BR>>>
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If you use BMI you can update your data at their site and also I believe
Ensign provides a refresh service that updates nightly. It used to
at least. Ira.
<p>Ron Dawes wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <span class=696130320-09041999><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=-1>The
solution to the problem you mention is for Ensign to support one of the
data services that stores historical data on their servers, i.e. Quote.com
or any of the Townsend Analytic vendors (PCQ, S&P Comstock, MB trading,
etc.). You could then refresh whenever you needed to. I and
others have asked Howard to support one of those for a while. So
far, they don't seem interested. Perhaps if more folks ask for it,
it will happen.</font></font></font></span>
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<div class=OutlookMessageHeader><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=-1>-----Original
Message-----</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=-1><b>From:</b> owner-realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<b>On Behalf Of</b> Jonathan Sibley</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=-1><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April
09, 1999 2:36 PM</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=-1><b>To:</b> RealTraders Discussion
Group</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=-1><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fw:
Software</font></font>
<br> </div>
In a nutshell, I think Ensign is great. There is a level of customer support
that I have never seen elsewhere. It is not unusual for a feature request
to be added to the software within a few weeks, if not days. Of course,
it depends on what you are looking for, though.
<p>Then Ensign programming language is based on Pascal and is extremely
powerful. In addition, it keeps getting better and better. There are also
a number of indicators, tools, and alerts that are built in.
<p>The only downside I see right now, and this is probably true with most
real-time feeds, is that you can lose data if your computer crashes during
the day. There is no good way that I have found to refresh intraday data
that is missed, although I believe other users may have found good sources
for futures data. But if your system is solid and doesn't crash, that shouldn't
be a problem, anyway.
<p>If you have specific questions, let me know.
<p>Jonathan Sibley
<p>At 02:22 PM 4/9/99 -0500, charles meyer wrote:
<blockquote cite type="cite">
<br><b><font face="arial"><font size=-1>-----Original Message-----</font></font></b>
<br><font face="arial"><font size=-1>From: </font></font>charles meyer
<chmeyer@xxxxxxxx>
<br><b>To: </b>denis@xxxxxxxxxxx
<denis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<br><b>Date: </b>Friday, April 09, 1999 2:21 PM
<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Software
<p>Denis:
<p><font size=-1>I have been an Ensign user for several years now.
Although I only use</font>
<br>Ensign V (a dinosaur now compared with Ensign VI and Ensign for Windows)
<br>Howard and his staff has always been mindful, courteous and timely
in
<br>their responses to my questions and problems. In fact many are
now
<br>considering Ensign for Windows/DTN as the choice over TS but you would
<br>want to get some feedback from someone more knowledgable in the area
<br>of programming for more specific information.
<p><font size=-1>Charles</font>
<blockquote cite type="cite"><b><font face="arial"><font size=-1>-----Original
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<br><font face="arial"><font size=-1>From: </font></font>Denis Rochat <denis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<br><b>To: </b>RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<br><b>Date: </b>Friday, April 09, 1999 3:19 PM
<br><b>Subject: </b>Software
<p>Does anyone have experience or comments about Ensign software for charting
futures? I am currently using DTN data and want to start using charting
software. I guess I'm looking for general suggestions about software and
where this one falls in the food chain. Thanks.
<br>Denis Rochat
<br>denis@xxxxxxxxxxx</blockquote>
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Brent:
No, I got your point. The problem is people complain but when it comes
to our love of cars, most of us will pay the price because of the
convince factor. I remember an old saying that someone told me a long
time ago. Gas is probably the cheapest expense you will have when
operating a car. Consider the price of insurance and depreciation.
Norman E.
BrentinUtahsDixie wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply. Seems like you missed the point.
>
> Brent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Phair <ericrogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx <brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Gen: Price of Gas/Oil and trading
>
> >Brent:
> >
> >Sell your car and buy a bike, then you will not be tempted to jump into
> >the car and use it. Or get a motor scooter. Or pay the price for gas,
> >remember you can not take it with you.
> >
> >Norman E.
> >
> >BrentinUtahsDixie wrote:
> >>
> >> RT's,
> >>
> >> Any trader worth his salt should be able to tell people how to get the
> price
> >> of oil and gas to go down. One day of boycotting gas stations isn't going
> to
> >> do it. So how do you do it? Decrease demand.
> >>
> >> It happened once before when gas prices were high. It became fashionable
> to
> >> stay at home and vacation in your own back yard or your own town. People
> >> became very careful about how they drove, made one trip count for 2.
> Small
> >> cars were popular and gas hogs were not. Soon there was a glut of oil and
> >> prices crashed.
> >>
> >> Now you know how to make prices go down, tell your neighbor.
> >>
> >> As far as the one day boycott is concerned I expect it to make prices go
> >> even higher.
> >>
> >> Brent
> >
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