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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Gary:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>It's possible that your quote service missed a 
price.&nbsp; The best way to find out is check the official time &amp; sales at 
the CME.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>You can do it from their website for yesterday's 
trades.&nbsp; <A 
href="http://www.cme.com/statistics/ts/";>http://www.cme.com/statistics/ts/</A> 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Anything prior to that you would need to call 
the CME at 1-312-930-1000.&nbsp; Ask for Andre Gibson at Records 
Retention.&nbsp; You'll need to fax him a time and sales request -- he won't do 
it over the phone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Good luck!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Mark Morrison</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Professional Market Brokerage</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>mmorrison@xxxxxxxxxx 
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>Gary Kramer &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
    </B>RealTraders Discussion Group &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Monday, February 08, 1999 12:11 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Market 
    fills<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2>On Friday, I placed a market order to 
    buy a S&amp;P contract and when i got my fill back, I saw that it was 1 tick 
    higher than where the market had traded over the past 5 minutes.&nbsp; Is 
    that possible???&nbsp; I have not checed time and sales but the broker has 
    no explanation.&nbsp; I know its only a tick, but it gets me wondering what 
    can really happen with market orders!</FONT></EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Thanks</FONT></EM></DIV>
    <DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2><BR>Gary Kramer<BR>Oak Park, IL 
    60302<BR></FONT></EM></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Everyone seems to believe that time premium is the great equalizer.  I'll give
away time premium every time in exchange for volatility and price movement.   Try
and buy back a short call in a running market and see just how badly you can get
ripped.  When you want it back you will pay any price. Fear is a greater money
loser then anything I know of, out side of shear incompetence.  Ira.

Bill Bancroft wrote:

> Maybe they are thinking this set up signals at least a consolidation below the
> highs, and at the most, a fall in prices.  By selling calls, you have time
> working for you, instead of against you.  Also, selling calls on an market
> index is less risky than on a stock, since the market index can not be bought
> out.  Just speculation on my part-
>
> Bill Bancroft
>
> Ira wrote:
>
> > If it is going to fall, why sell calls with limited profit and unlimited
> > risk and not buy puts with limited risk and unlimited profit?  The geniuses
> > always seem to put we poor traders in harms way.  Good trading, Ira.
> >
> > Bill Bancroft wrote:
> >
> > > RTs,
> > >
> > > For those of you familar with Hayward and Connors' patterns, this week
> > > set up an "Undeniable" sell signal (their name, not mine).  This set up
> > > is when a market makes a six week high and then closes the week (week
> > > one) below where it opened.  For the set-up to be complete, the market
> > > must then trade below the low of week one.  Undeniables were set up on
> > > the S&P 500 March Contract, SPY (Spyders), and on the Nasdaq Comp.  They
> > > recommend taking advantage of this pattern by selling calls with a
> > > strike price above the six week high.
> > >
> > > As everyone knows by now, the markets failed at the previous high.  This
> > > may or may not have serious implications, but a correction starts with
> > > lower highs.  On the flip side, no support level has been broken.
> > >
> > > The ADX on the S&P continues to fall, indicating a trading range (no
> > > duh), but more importantly, low ADX levels often signify that the next
> > > move may be a large one.
> > >
> > > Finally, the Nasdaq Comp. has had "3 pushes" up on the daily chart.  I
> > > believe this pattern was called "Three Little Indians" by Raschke and
> > > Connors.  This market has since pulled back to the 20 pd ema, which
> > > should act as at least short-term support.
> > >
> > > FYI-
> > >
> > > Bill Bancroft