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Don has some of my money (not thousands but several hundred). I did learn
quite a lot from it. I paper traded the strategies for a while and 4 out of
5 trades were successful. I had great difficulty putting on the trades when
I tried and when my broker told me how much margin was required to cover
the trades I chickened out. So he is like the many many others not all bad
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> > From: Stuart Hazlewood <shazlewood@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: DON FISHBACK - WHAT A CROOK!
> > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 9:47 AM
> >
> > Tom & RTers:
> >
> > I too have had mailings from Don Fishback. What a moron! Worse, what
a
> public menace!
> >
> > First off there's a mailing for a trading approach that succeeds over
90%
> of the time (where have I heard that before?). He's asking several
> thousnds of $$$$ for that. A few weeks later, I see advertised his
> "Options for Beginners" book for $14.95, with a special offer guide to
> trading that elsewhere would have cost thousands of $$$.
> >
> > For $14.95 I satisfied my curiosity. His failsafe system? Get ready
for
> this:
> >
> > * the market will supposedly trade within a 2 standard deviation bound
> (based on historical volatility) 95% of the time. (this is an absolute
> lie. Anyone with Tradestation can run the data for themselves an see the
> market exceed these 2 sigma bounds MUCH more frequently than 5% of the
> time, normal distribution simply doesn't apply).
> >
> > * therefore novice traders should sell naked strangles at 2 standard
> deviations out of the money. (Even if the market exceeds 2 SDs only 5%
of
> the time, that 5% will wipe out the novice trader who does not know how
to
> adjust).
> >
> > * if you're a little more conservative, you should buy the wings,
i.e.,
> buy options one extra strike price out of the money. (The resulting
credit
> will in most cases not equal the commissions, fees and slippage cost for
> establishing this position. Remember now, he's advocating 4 options per
> position for a typical credit of around $125 with 30 days to expiration.
> So you take in $5 - 10 if you're lucky, to carry a maximum risk of
$1,250.
> What a moron!)
> >
> > The reason this gets me so upset is that I was a novice once too.
There
> are going to be people who get taken by this crook, spend their thousands
> of hard earned $$$$, get NOTHING they can use, and maybe even lose it
all.
> This is an industry in serious need of regulation!
> >
> > At the very least, Eddie Kwong might think of establishing somewhere on
> the RT website that warns the public about rip off traders. Maybe just
> posts like these, so he can avoid all the libel cases!
> >
> > This ends today's sermon.
> >
> > - Stuart
> >
> > >>> "Tom Alexander" <gta3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 07/14 10:43 AM >>>
> > I haven't read the book but based on Walt's review there seems to be
far
> > more information that could lead a trader to ruin than could put one on
> the
> > road to success. This reminds me of the spam I received a day or two
ago
> > from Don Fishback claiming some ridiculous rate of return by following
> some
> > system he was hawking (no doubt selling out of the money options).
> >
> > This stuff makes a ton of money - for the purveyor of the trash. It
will
> > never go away because of the P.T. Barnum effect, which when applied to
> > trading should be restated as, "there are dozens and dozens of suckers
> born
> > every minute".
> >
> > There will always be a ready supply of junk for those looking for the
> easy
> > answer. Just use a tiny bit of logic before biting on this stuff and a
> lot
> > of time, anguish, and money will have been saved.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tom Alexander
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Walt Downs <knight@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: TRD GEN: Book review: Jon Schiller's "100%" Option Strategy
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 6:08 AM
> > >
> > > RT's,
> > >
> > > Here's a few thoughts on Jon Schiller's book, "The 100% Return
> > > Options Trading Strategy".
> > >
> > > Some interesting ideas on OEX trading can be found in this book.
> > > However, Schiller does "candy coat" some of the concepts, and
> > > some of the data in the book is contradictory or a bit misleading.
> > >
> > > In the case of the CVSS covered write options strangle, Jon would
> > > have you believe that they are safe as CD's. Not necessarily. On
> > > page 152, Jon paints a rosy picture of exponential returns, enabling
> > > the trader to turn $5,000 dollars into $89,623 over a 36 month
> > > period. Whoops! Take a closer look: This run is based on Gaussian
> > > probability and *assumes* a 90% winning percentile based on a
> > > 2 Sigma SD distibution. In real trading, it is very likely that these
> > > levels will hold up no more than 70% of the time. (This is in line
> > > with statistical evidence that markets trend strongly about 30% of
> > > the time.)
> > >
> > > As an example, please view the spread sheet given on Page 88
> > > I was a bit suprised, as Jon claimed that only 5 of the losing
> > > positions would have incurred max loss. Looks to me like *11*
> > > of the losers would have incurred max loss, as they consumed
> > > or eclipsed the entire 5 point spread of the short and long calls.
> > >
> > > This means corrective action would have had to have been taken in
> > > all instances. A different result from what Jon claims on pages 78
> > > and 80. In simplistic terms the end result of
> > > the trading term would have been:
> > >
> > > Based on 1.82 differential in risk/reward (For every 100.00 you make
> > > you lose 182.00)
> > >
> > > 33 trades/12 losers/21 winners = W/L Ratio: 63% (told you)
> > >
> > > 12 x 182 = (2184)
> > > 21 x 100 = 2100
> > > Total Loss/Gain = (100)
> > >
> > > We can of course assume that the trader would take action to
> > > prevent the maximum loss, so he actually would have made
> > > money. However, I don't think 100% returns are as simple as
> > > Jon states.
> > >
> > > As far as Jon's day trading Delta strategy, the description was
> > > awfully simplistic. "Just watch the little RSI thingy, and when it
> > > turns you can buy or sell, or just jump in when you see the big
> > > programs buy or sell". To me, this can be equated to telling
> > > someone to just "Buy low and Sell High". It isn't quite that
> > > easy.
> > >
> > > The thing that bothered me most about the book, was the fact that
> > > nowhere was volatility mentioned. Volatility is the cornerstone of
> > > the option trader. Without a firm grasp of its use, and a few trusty
> > > vol indicators that work, an option guy can be in *real* trouble
> > > very quickly.
> > >
> > > Some of the ideas and practical trading info were good though. Mark
> > > Jon Schiller's book as a place to *start* your learning process of
> > > OEX trading. You will have to do a lot more reading if you want to
> > > trade the OEX profitably. It's probably worth 50 bucks, but it's no
> > > Holy Grail.
> > >
> > > Walt Downs
> > > CIS Trading
> > >
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