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To: <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Comment on Gann
From: "tmurrey" <tmurrey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:09:23 -0500

I use two astrological times every year: 1) 1st frost, 2) angle of tilt of
the Earth
to measure speed off. that's it.
then we just start trading off 8th grade math.
thanks for the comments.
THMurrey

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> From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Comment on Gann
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 11:53 PM
> 
> Herbert F. Klug wrote:
> > 
> > At 03:22 PM 8/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
> > >tmurrey wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ----------
> > >> > From: tmurrey <tmurrey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > To: metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > Subject: Murrey Math Access Free to all Metastock users:
> > >> > Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 1:19 PM
> > >> >
> > >> > I have made enough for this year, so I shall give every metastock
user
> > >> > "free access" to my backroom charts daily updates by just typing
> > >> >
> > >> > www.murreymathtrading.com/secure/ and on the 1st line insert
> > >> > JDJ (CAPS) and then insert 204107 on the 2nd line.
> > >> >
> > >> > If you have a child from the 6 th grade on up to college age,
> > >> > who wants to learn my trading system, I shall be happy to
> > >> > teach them (thru daily E Mail updates) if they just do three
> > >> > simple things: 1) send me proof of their current schooling,
> > >> > 2) send me their E Mail address, and 3) $ 20.00 to get them
> > >> > into my data bank of students.
> > >> >
> > >NW: Why have a minimum of the sixth grade? My son, when he was 4 1/2
> > >years old, showed he could trade with the pros. I showed him the page
of
> > >futures charts from Investors Business Daily and ask him to tell me
> > >whether these markets were going up, down, sideways, or he didn't
know.
> > >He had an opinion on 16 markets. Based on a Lunation cycle, we cashed
> > >out after about 10 days. He had 10 out of 16 winning trades, a 2.4 to
1
> > >win to loss ratio and about $7,400 in profits.
> > >
> > >> > I plan to have 144 students who can predict all markets better
> > >> > than their parents in just 20 trading days.
> > >> >
> > >> > Please send a school picture and a copy of your school I.D. and
> > >> > and the name of all of your teachers and mail them to:
> > >> >
> > >> > Murrey Math Marketing co.
> > >> > P.O. Box 158946
> > >> > Nashville, TN. 37215
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't mind giving it away free to young adults who aren't brain
> > >> > washed like their parents who give Ford Motor Company $ 10,000.
> > >> >
> > >> > profit per new Cherokee coming off its assembly line and you turn
> > >> > around and want every "guru" to teach you for "free" what your
> > >> > children already know (and I'll prove it to the world very soon).
> > >
> > >NW: Oh my gosh, Murrey Mathman and I agree on something. Is the world
> > >coming to an end?
> > >> >
> > >> > Some of you hate me,
> > >> >  but I have the greatest trading system in the past 100 years
> > >> >  of organized trading systems.
> > >> >
> > >NW: Whew! We didn't agree for long. I feel better now. Armegeddon has
> > >possibly been delayed. Just when you think he is making sense, you can
> > >count on good ol' Murrey to come up with something totally outrageous.
> > >BTW Murrey, I am still waiting to see your real time independently
> > >monitored track record. Should be no problem for someone with the
> > >greatest trading system of the last 100 years. Do you know Phil
Rendhel?
> > >He used to post here some fantastic trading results. I wonder which of
> > >you has more money now. I imagine it won't be long before you will be
> > >buying out Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, or maybe even Phil Rendhel?
> > >
> > >
> > >> > My fourth article in a row has just been published in Trader's
World
> > >> > Trading Magazine (along with Mr. Robert Minor and five other
geniuses
> > >> >
> > >> > with ver high I.Q.'s who are willing to help others "see" what
they
> > >> should
> > >> > already know) from the amount of time you all spend every night
down
> > >> > loading all those useless number of charts in their data bases.
> > >
> > >NW: I have known "geniuses" and few of them go around claiming to be
> > >geniuses. My uncle was THE "genius" behind NASA responsible for
getting
> > >the USA to the Moon, but to him it was just a job. I can't imagine him
> > >ever saying anything close to making the kind of claims you do. Yet,
> > >he is probably a genius and a definetly national hero, but he would
> > >deny these credits if you ask him.
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Gann Trader 2.1 Software is advertising free information and a
demo disk
> > >> > about Murrey Math in the latest article in Trader's World
magazine.
> > >> >
> > >> > You should contact them at gann@xxxxxxxx about seeing my genius
> > >> > set to his great software package based on pure gann techniques.
> > >
> > >NW: "Pure Gann Techniques"? Does this mean you are using Astrology
now?
> > >Gann's partner told me that Gann was primarily Astrological and I have
> > >the proof to this. If you are doing "Pure Gann" You must be mostly
> > >Astrological. Is this a new addition to your methods? When we last
> > >corresponded I got the impression that you did not use Astrology.
> > >Perhaps this was wrong? And how is your Mayan trading system doing?
> > >> >
> > >> > There shall be a "chat room" available "free" for everyone
interested
> > >> this
> > >> > Wednesday night by going to www.tradersworld.com and look over to
the
> > >> > right side of the front page and click on "chat" and follow the
> > >> > instructions.
> > >> >
> > >> > Other web pages are now using Murrey Math charts in their web
sites to
> > >> >  help you make for profits for your families easier.
> > >> >
> > >> > (maybe Metastock will put Murrey Math Lines in their next version
of
> > >> their
> > >> > software)  it would take about 1 hour to do it and all markets are
> > >> already
> > >> > going to my lines anyway, so it would just make it a lot easier on
> > >> everyone
> > >> > if all trading systems would just insert my lines into their
programs).
> > >> >
> > >> > W.D. Gann never gave anyone anything "free" except a great smile !
> > >
> > >NW: I would love to see Gann's smile. In all the pictures I have ever
> > >seen of the old guy he had a very sour look on his face. He looked
like
> > >he was void of a sense of humor or smile.
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > thanks, THMurrey
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >NW: My pleasure.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Norman
> > >
> > 
> > Aug. 17, 1997
> > 
> > Alexander Elder in his book entitled Trading For A Living (p. 23) says
that
> > he interviewed W. D. Gann's son and was told that his father could not
> > support the family by trading but rather earned his living by selling
his
> > courses and by writing.  Elder also says that when Gann died in the
1950s
> > the estate (including the house) was valued at just over $100,000. 
Does
> > anyone have any more information to add?
> 
> NW: Gann was not known for getting along with his family. He and his son
> had a major split about 1950. I wonder if he couldn't or wouldn't
> support his family. As for his estate, the value was $150,000 in about
> 1955 which would be equivalent to about $5 million in today's money. Not
> bad for a poor farm boy from Texas. And that is just the money that he
> left for the officials to see. Regardless of his trading ability, if
> anyone takes a serious look at this market techniques, one must come
> away with a respect for his insight into the workings of the market. One
> must realize that trading and market analysis are two distinct talents
> and are not necessarily found in the same individual.
>   So, how much money has Dr. Elder made from his trading and how much
> has
> he made from selling his books and courses? I seem to see Dr. Elder's
> advertising just about everywhere.  Trading not going so well? <G> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Herbert Klug
> > hklug@xxxxxxxxx
> 






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