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Sounds like a great scam short. Now to find out if they are public and their
synbol...
In a message dated 8/23/03 5:36:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, davep@xxxxxxxx
writes:
> (I would NOT post a reply like this during the 'trading
> week'... 8)>>)
>
> > Interesting news item. Anyone knows where can one get one of these
> > from and for how much $$$? To me this looks clearly more appealing
> > than a generator (no noise, clean emissions).
> >
> > http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030820.gtfuel0820/
> BNStory/Technology/
>
> Well.
> For Grins (being Saturday: no trading....)
> I typed
> www.greenvolt.com
> into a browser. Their site came up. Presumably
> they would love to advise on purchase.
>
> Limiting myself to their advertisment (press release)
>
> > ORILLIA, Ont., Aug. 20 -- Greenvolt Corp. has released its first
>
> > product,
>
> OK: Bet My trading on THEIR _first_ product?
> (This is not an attack on the company or product,
> simply that First Products are....)
>
> > the SAM-CellT PM-132, a small, personal fuel cell that generates
>
> > 12 volts DC and 120 volts AC at 100 watts
>
> Enough to run ONE small or laptop computer.
> (My 'main machine' is over 100W and that's
> for an 'older/slower' machine' (yes: I own and
> usde a WATTMETER.)
>
> > for more than 35 hours before requiring a recharge.
>
> And how does it get recharged? Bolt on a fresh
> tank of Hydrogen?
> Plug in and it generates some from a water tank?
>
> > Using a configuration of salt water, air and magnesium (SAM),
>
> > the SAM-Cell generates clean electricity with no noise, no
>
> > pollution and is non-toxic.
>
> Interesting theory, common amongst hydrogen proponents.
> Turns Out Water Vapor is a greenhouse gas. (really...)
> Its cleanliness is psychological. ALSO, any hydrogen
> cycle is a net energy loss: need to put 200W or so in
> to get that 100W out...
> I'm not a chemist (I am an electrical engineer)
> Apparently they are reacting the water with the
> Mg to create H for the fuel cell. Leaves an
> interesting soup of metal salts for disposal.
>
> > It weighs in at 2.2 kilograms dry and 5.5 Kg after the saltwater
>
> > is poured in, and can be stored dry and will remain ready to go
>
> > when it is needed.
>
>
> > The product is advertised as ideal for weekend camping or as an
>
> > emergency power source, when it can run lights and TV or radios
>
> > long enough to traverse most blackout periods.
>
> 'most' is not a numerical value. 'most' blackouts
> are a Lot Briefer than what hit NE US and Canada
> last week. Be interesting to know how long
> that 100W is available. (WHr spec)
>
> > It is priced at $350 (U.S.)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I would compare that pricing (and its size, and the
> 'fuelling' details, and the tech details (how long,
> how big, how often the Mg needs replacement (?).)
> with conventional (battery) UPS or UPS plus Gen-set.
>
> I'm not saying its a bad thing: simply running thru
> some aspects of the 'power problem'.
>
> --
> best
> dwp
>
> ...the net of a million lies...
> Vernor Vinge
> There are Many Web Sites which Say Many Things.
> -me
> ...for he has read everything, and written nothing...
> A J Raffles
>
>
>
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