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Vince.
Find my comments below yours......
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Vince Heiker [mailto:tachyonv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. November 2002 22:33
An: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: VK
Betreff: RE: FW: Omega-List email format - VK
I think you've aimed your comments at the wrong target this time,
VK.....
[VK>>]
No.
My opinions are based on my creation of a copyrighted 1,800+ function
point
analysis list and method, that I used to evaluate the software packages.
[VK>>]
Very good. Finally someone who is doing the work.
As you well know, no one can write a book of details in an email
posting. My
own website (slowly developing) will have more details in copyrighted
form,
many months from now.
[VK>>]
Make sure you are up to date. As you can see, software development is
moving very fast.
I have shared these three Order Execution, Charting & Studies and
Scanning &
Filtering spreadsheets, containing 1,800+ function points, with several
trading software companies. Some, such as MetaStock, came looking for
me.
[VK>>]
Looking for you?
To the best of my knowledge, no one else has ever so thoroughly
evaluated
trading software like I have done. Certainly not Active Trader, Futures
nor
Stocks & Commodities magazines. Nor any of the 3,000+ trading and
investing
websites that I've visited over the last two years. And not any trading
software company with whom I've had significant contact.
[VK>>]
I dont know how thoroughly you evaluated, but if you had over 1800
criterias then I would think you did a good research.
FYI I am a former CIO and IT VP, and highly competent
technically....build
my own PCs from parts since 1982, beta test for some software companies,
including trading software companies....and I've been investing and
trading
for years. In 92 was named one of the top 100 IT exec's by
ComputerWorld.
Listed in many Who's Who references. MBA. CDP. CSP. Mensa. Lots of IT
stuff
published. Etc.
[VK>>]
For your info, I am NOT a Ph. D. and I was never one of the top 100 IT
exec's and I an in NO Who's Who reference.
Next time you wish to cast doubt upon someone, do it with facts not
innuendos.
[VK>>]
So now you have the facts about me and I have the facts about you. That
does NOT make your earlier statement any more valid even if you would
have been the CEO of ENRON or WorldCom (do you get the hint?). Your so
called facts did not have any information about your personal background
(which is NOT important) and it did not have any information about your
research method (which IS important).
Spend your time making your own software better. What are your
credentials and experience that give you credibility to cast vague
innuendos
on summaries intended to be only summaries?
[VK>>]
Why do you get personal? I was only commenting on your too general
summary, which can be very misleading since it had no details. Also it
seems quite some time ago.
Trust is a fragile thing. You've cast doubt upon your trustworthiness
and
objectivity, VK.
[VK>>]
I don’t think so, my comments were purely based on your brief summary
and was in no way personal. Of course if I would have none all your
business/personal back ground I would have been quite and taken it as
the bible for all software summaries.
Vince, just one more thing, I was not trying to criticize you
personally; I think if you look at your summary and my criticism about
it you must admit that I had some points. In any way I appreciate your
input and your comments.
Volker Knapp
Frankfurt
Germany
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Vince Heiker [mailto:tachyonv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. November 2002 22:33
An: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: VK
Betreff: RE: FW: Omega-List email format - VK
I think you've aimed your comments at the wrong target this time,
VK.....
My opinions are based on my creation of a copyrighted 1,800+ function
point
analysis list and method, that I used to evaluate the software packages.
As you well know, no one can write a book of details in an email
posting. My
own website (slowly developing) will have more details in copyrighted
form,
many months from now.
I have shared these three Order Execution, Charting & Studies and
Scanning &
Filtering spreadsheets, containing 1,800+ function points, with several
trading software companies. Some, such as MetaStock, came looking for
me.
To the best of my knowledge, no one else has ever so thoroughly
evaluated
trading software like I have done. Certainly not Active Trader, Futures
nor
Stocks & Commodities magazines. Nor any of the 3,000+ trading and
investing
websites that I've visited over the last two years. And not any trading
software company with whom I've had significant contact.
FYI I am a former CIO and IT VP, and highly competent
technically....build
my own PCs from parts since 1982, beta test for some software companies,
including trading software companies....and I've been investing and
trading
for years. In 92 was named one of the top 100 IT exec's by
ComputerWorld.
Listed in many Who's Who references. MBA. CDP. CSP. Mensa. Lots of IT
stuff
published. Etc.
Next time you wish to cast doubt upon someone, do it with facts not
innuendos. Spend your time making your own software better. What are
your
credentials and experience that give you credibility to cast vague
innuendos
on summaries intended to be only summaries?
Trust is a fragile thing. You've cast doubt upon your trustworthiness
and
objectivity, VK.
Vince Heiker
Flower Mound, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: VK [mailto:vk@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:15 PM
To: 'Neal Hughes'; tachyonv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: AW: FW: Omega-List email format
Neal.
Before you take the summary as it is you should read my summary. It has
some valuable information that all you should know. With out trying to
be respectless, but the information is to vague like:
>7. Ensign Software has some interesting cycle tools that no other
package
>has. But it seems to be an older package. www.ensignsoftware.com
What does Vince mean, no other software has what?
What does he mean by an older package?
Not that I ma trying to defend "Ensign" or saying he is right or wrong,
but there is NO information. To have an opinion is easy, to reasoning it
and defend it in an argument is what is needed before information should
go out as is.
Do you see what I mean?
Regards.
Volker Knapp
Wealth-Lab Inc.
http://www.wealth-lab.de
http://www.wealth-lab.com
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Neal Hughes [mailto:tradero@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. November 2002 17:38
An: tachyonv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: Re: FW: Omega-List email format
Vince,
Excellent summary!
May I have permission to post it on my trader web forums?
http://www.fibmarkets.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.pl
It would be great to get a similar summary of on-line brokerages..
Thanks,
-Neal.
At 10:24 AM 11/17/2002 -0600, Vince Heiker wrote:
>There are several real time software alternatives to TradeStation 6 or
>2000i.
>
>1. If you don't mind paying high trade commissions, having unreliable
and
>slow data feeds during peak periods, and arrogant support, then
RealTick has
>the best charting and studies by a now-slim margin over two other
packages
>mentioned below, and acceptable (if sometimes buggy) order execution
>functionality. www.realtick.com
>
>2. If you want a package that is just about equal to RealTick in
charting
>and studies, that is about equal to EL with its own language, and that
has
>excellent real time scanning capabilities, try TickQuest's NeoTicker.
It
>does not have any order execution functionality, and as far as I know
does
>not integrate with any broker's account management software. But it is
a
>killer charting, studies and scanning tool, in real time. Works with
at
>least a couple different real time data feeds. www.tickquest.com
>
>3. Investor/RT from Linnsoft is about equal to NeoTicker. Same deal,
no
>order execution. www.linnsoft.com
>
>4. ProTrader's gr8trader is probably the best order execution
software.
>Its charting and studies and scanning are not the best (I don't like
them at
>all). Commissions can be low if you trade enough. www.protrader.com
>
>5. NexTrend's Analysis for charting and studies, plus Nextrend's EDAT
order
>execution system, along with NexTrend's outstanding data feed (best
>reliability and speed of any real time software over the Internet) -
EDAT
>will be outstanding once debugged and once some brokers offer it....its
>functionality in some ways is better than gr8trader...but it is not
>compatible with ZoneAlarmPro firewall, and possibly not with some other
>firewalls. Analysis is ok but not the equal of Investor/RT, RealTick
or
>NeoTicker, for charting and studies. www.nextrend.com
>
>6. If you can accept its trading method and poor charting, Spectre IV
has a
>cool Level II and T&S, plus a test mode with which you can simulate
live
>trading in real time in real market conditions....forward test, in
other
>words, within it limited studies and charting. www.sl4trader.com
>
>7. Ensign Software has some interesting cycle tools that no other
package
>has. But it seems to be an older package. www.ensignsoftware.com
>
>8. NeoVest's First Alert is probably the best real time scanning tool.
But
>its price is horribly high especially considering that it does not
include a
>data feed in its high monthly lease price. www.neovest.com
>
>9. Advanced Get, especially if you are a member of the Gann or Elliott
>religions. www.advancedget.com.
>
>FYI, I've tested over 80 trading software packages over the past two
years.
>I like RealTick the best but cannot abide its arrogance, cannot trade
with
>its unreliable, undependable,.slow peak period data feeds, and its high
>commissions and costs.
>
>If TickQuest or Investor/RT had integrated order execution with good
>functionality, and integration with brokerage account management, then
they
>would be the best. NexTrend could also become the best, but has a ways
to
>go yet.
>
>For now, I use TradeStation because of the low commission costs and
>comparatively moderate TradeStation costs, and impatiently accept its
>glaring deficiencies while awaiting improvements. Now that Bear Sterns
owns
>TSS and TS, tool, I expect Bear Sterns to significantly improve the
aged TS
>over the next 24 months.
>
><sigh> No holy grail automated mechanical system exists nor will ever
exist
>and <bigger sigh> no totally perfect trading software + data feed
exists
>yet.
>
>
>Vince Heiker
>Flower Mound, Texas
>
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